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Name: Humberto
Brazil (Zone 11b)
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IndigoSpirit
May 8, 2020 1:24 PM CST
Okay so I bought this succulent last year and nobody knows the ID. I researched but all that I found doesn't truly matches her physiognomy. The leaves reminds carnicolor, but they have a thick farina (that wearied off during rain season) and can achieve most pastel colors, from green, yellow, red, purple and even blue. She's so magic that it's like a fable even more as I never seen such one like this anywhere else. I was told it could be Echeveria "Rippling Waters" but her leaves doesn't curl like that and I have mine in full sun exposure since I bought it, so it would not be the absence of sunlight.
I live in Brazil and this summer (end of last year) we had an absurd amount of rains, raining like every single day during two weeks with only one or two days gap between, and this endured until mid February so my babies really suffered. A lot of them got unscathed through this, but this one specifically lost all of her old leaves and started growing again. As I can provide full 12 hours of sunlight thanks to the fact I live in a high place and my home has a terrace where I can put them they get super thick and colorful. So this mysterious succulent got a little different then before, she's covered by neighbors in a bowl right now, about one inch and half in diameter.

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And this is the photo of her after the rains:
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Name: Johannian
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Johannian
May 8, 2020 1:31 PM CST
It's an Echeveria, just don't know the exact species yet...
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Name: Johannian
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Johannian
May 8, 2020 1:32 PM CST
Looks like it could be a really well sun-stressed Echeveria 'Lola'.

Check it out here: Echeveria 'Lola'
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skopjecollection
May 8, 2020 1:36 PM CST
Johannian said:Looks like it could be a really well sun-stressed Echeveria 'Lola'.

Check it out here: Echeveria 'Lola'


..no. Lola gets paler, not red when sun stressed. Rosette is much more even than this...
I think afterglow or fred ives or alpenglow...something along the lines...most likely
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Name: Johannian
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Johannian
May 8, 2020 1:42 PM CST
Ah, you definitely could be right about afterglow Stefan. Also, good to know about Lola Thumbs up

And Fred Ives is a Graptoveria, right?
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Name: Johannian
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Johannian
May 8, 2020 1:50 PM CST
Here are pictures of all the succulents you mentioned Stefan:

Afterglow:


Fred Ives: (doesn't look like Indigo's)


Alpenglow: (there's only one picture in the database)


I think both of the Graptoverias are out of the question, because the leaves don't have spikes at the ends.
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skopjecollection
May 8, 2020 1:56 PM CST
graptoveria debbie has spikes, just for reference...
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Baja_Costero
May 8, 2020 1:57 PM CST

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It is not Lola (a white plant, and more white than pink even when stressed), nor is it Afterglow (different shaped leaves, esp. thinner, with slightly ruffled margins) or Fred Ives (channeled or spoon-shaped leaves) or Alpenglow (extra chunky leaves with acute tips). I don't know what it is, though.
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Name: Johannian
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Johannian
May 8, 2020 1:59 PM CST
skopjecollection said:graptoveria debbie has spikes, just for reference...


Ah yes, sorry Stefan, I misspoke.

What I should have said: "the two you mentioned don't have spikes at the end."
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Name: Humberto
Brazil (Zone 11b)
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IndigoSpirit
May 8, 2020 3:23 PM CST
Well, imagine that Afterglow was mixed with Carnicolor, that's much like my succulent there. But in usual sun exposure it stays a peach color. Someone once said it could be Echeveria diffractens, but I'm not sure.
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Johannian
May 8, 2020 4:05 PM CST
I don't think it's diffractens, because the way the leaves grow on yours is different, and also the leaves of yours are wider than E. Diffractens'.
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Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
May 8, 2020 4:07 PM CST

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I suppose it could be diffractens. The flowers ought to provide some useful clues. I looked at all the pictures in my Echeveria cultivars book, and none of the plants were a match.

This fully searchable site is usually helpful for plants in the genus:

http://www.crassulaceae.ch/de/...
Name: Humberto
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IndigoSpirit
May 8, 2020 4:59 PM CST
look at this:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/7...
I just saw a diffractens so pink like it in this ad. Looks very similar to mine, but all other diffractens are different. Well, @Johannian said about the leaves being wider too and this one in the ad looks thinner for real. So I don't know if it can be just a variance.
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Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
May 8, 2020 5:19 PM CST

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I think you'll have to wait for flowers to really know.
Name: Johannian
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Johannian
May 8, 2020 9:08 PM CST
I agree definitely with Baja. Flowers are always a key ID clue.
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Name: Humberto
Brazil (Zone 11b)
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IndigoSpirit
May 9, 2020 3:27 PM CST
Baja_Costero said:I think you'll have to wait for flowers to really know.


I hope it doesn't take too long lol, because now this baby has just one inch and half in diameter. Maybe end of the year it'll have size enough to produce flowers? They will get dormant in the middle of the year here in Brazil, but I believe that this dormancy is less pronounced as I live in a tropical climate that have yet hot days with colder nights. I'm anxious lol, she was so beautiful and probably the most colorful inside my collection.

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