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Name: Critter (Jill)
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critterologist
May 8, 2020 7:01 PM CST
At what stage can a bud be cut if you want it to open in the vase? Does it need to be showing color? What if there's just a hint of color?

We've got frost and freeze warnings the next 2 nights, colder tomorrow night than tonight, and I'd like to bring a few buds inside. Otherwise, I'm afraid I won't see any blooms from the first big flush!

This photo shows buds in all stages... upper right corner has a full-color bud, a tight bud, and a bud with a hint of color. Just to the left of the open bloom is one that's showing a good stripe of color but hasn't opened up at the tip. Which ones would open in a vase?

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Name: Seth n Sam .....
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Weluvroses
May 9, 2020 9:55 AM CST
I have taken several on different varieties. None of them opened unless they were split open already.
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jerijen
May 9, 2020 10:26 AM CST
If the sepals are down, you can be fairly sure it will open.

I would cut this:
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I would DEFINITELY cut this:
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I would absolutely not cut these:
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Name: Critter (Jill)
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critterologist
May 9, 2020 11:02 AM CST
Thanks for your help!

JeriJen, I don't have any that are that far along... but I've cut ones like that for the fair, after learning the hard way that cutting a "perfect" bloom would result in a stick with no petals by exhibit time.

Weluvroses, when you say "split open already," do you mean showing color between the green sepals, or sepals down (like the photos JeriJen shows)?
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Name: Seth n Sam .....
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Weluvroses
May 9, 2020 12:19 PM CST
critterologist said:Thanks for your help!

JeriJen, I don't have any that are that far along... but I've cut ones like that for the fair, after learning the hard way that cutting a "perfect" bloom would result in a stick with no petals by exhibit time.

Weluvroses, when you say "split open already," do you mean showing color between the green sepals, or sepals down (like the photos JeriJen shows)?


Yes as long as I see color I cut them. Not always. But normally I take 2-3 off of each variety and vase them up. 95% of them open. But I make sure they are getting sun from a window or something.
Name: Critter (Jill)
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critterologist
May 9, 2020 12:54 PM CST
Thank you! I want to take some to my MIL tomorrow... will cut today to be sure they don't freeze. I cut a couple yesterday that were showing the most color.
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Name: seil
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seilMI
May 9, 2020 8:16 PM CST
If the sepals are just split open and showing a little bit of color they probably won't open. If the sepals are starting to drop and showing a lot of color it may open. To be sure it will open the sepals have to be down as Jeri said.

I don't know how cold it will get for you but we are having below freezing here too. I'm not worried. Unless it gets below 27 degrees and stays there for many hours it shouldn't really do much damage. If it's just dipping overnight and then going back up during the day they should be fine.
Name: Critter (Jill)
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critterologist
May 10, 2020 10:41 AM CST
Thanks! The forecast here changed from freeze warning to chance of frost, so I left the buds on the plant. I'll cut them as the sepals drop open to bring in the house and to deliver to my DMIL. It's good to know that an overnight dip below freezing won't damage all the buds and blooms, too.

In summary, sounds like if there's color showing, there's a chance the bud might open, but it becomes more of a sure thing as the sepals separate and drop.

Cutting for a flower show or for the fair, sepals need to be totally down and bud just starting to loosen, no more than half open, so it'll open fully in a couple of days. Grooming for show is probably another thread entirely...

I appreciate everybody's input!

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