Japanese Maples forum→New Sprouts from Japanese Full Moon Maple

Page 1 of 3 • 1 2 3
Views: 1316, Replies: 41 » Jump to the end
Name: Charline
Toronto (Zone 5b)
Charlinex
May 17, 2020 10:07 AM CST
It's Acer japonicum aconitifolium, perhaps 'Dancing Peacock'.

It took two winters, but finally the seeds have sprouted.

I intend to grow them into bonsai in the long run. However, I have no experience with any maple trees.

Any advice will be greatly appreciated!

How long does it take for the true leaves to appear? Because they are from seeds, I expect some mutations.

The first photo is a screen capture from my video clips of the mother tree. The first one shows seed pods.

Thumb of 2020-05-17/Charlinex/283317


Thumb of 2020-05-17/Charlinex/0f0430

[Last edited by Charlinex - Jun 3, 2020 12:44 PM (+)]
Give a thumbs up | Quote | Post #2241852 (1)
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
Not all who wander are lost
Garden Sages Plant Identifier
Image
DaisyI
May 18, 2020 2:22 PM CST
That's great! Now get them into better light.

Post another photo after they get their first leaves. My Moon Maple has never grown seeds - I'm curious to know what your seedlings look like.
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and proclaiming...."WOW What a Ride!!" -Mark Frost

President: Orchid Society of Northern Nevada
Webmaster: osnnv.org
Name: Charline
Toronto (Zone 5b)
Charlinex
May 19, 2020 12:54 PM CST
Thanks for your interest, Daisy. By the way, what is the leaf color of your full moon maple?

I read that only mature full moon maple tree will bear seeds. From the third image, you can see how big the tree trunk is.

The seedlings are outside. I will take more photos when the true leaves appear in about a couple of weeks. Smiling
[Last edited by Charlinex - May 19, 2020 12:57 PM (+)]
Give a thumbs up | Quote | Post #2244412 (3)
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
Not all who wander are lost
Garden Sages Plant Identifier
Image
DaisyI
May 19, 2020 10:49 PM CST
My California tree was 30 years old. It had green leaves that turned dark maroon red in fall. It had seeds but not even one ever germinated. I had a lot of thread leaf seedlings but never a Moon maple.

My current Moon Maple is kind of orange.
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and proclaiming...."WOW What a Ride!!" -Mark Frost

President: Orchid Society of Northern Nevada
Webmaster: osnnv.org
Name: Charline
Toronto (Zone 5b)
Charlinex
May 20, 2020 11:39 AM CST
Hi Daisy, it's kind of tricky to germinate the seeds.

On the advice from some very experienced people in my bonsai club, I soaked the seeds in hot water and did the stratification by leaving the seeds in the fridge in November 2018. Next spring, I planted some seeds but nothing happened. The remaining seeds were still in a air-tight clear plastic jar with some small diatomite rocks (for keeping the moisture).

The jar was left outside afterwards and I forgot about it.

A few days ago, when I was about to throw the thing out. I saw the sprouts. Now I remember my club people did say it could take two years for the seeds to germinate. I also read that from the internet.



Thumb of 2020-05-20/Charlinex/2de1d6

[Last edited by Charlinex - May 20, 2020 2:51 PM (+)]
Give a thumbs up | Quote | Post #2245420 (5)
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
Not all who wander are lost
Garden Sages Plant Identifier
Image
DaisyI
May 20, 2020 12:16 PM CST
I never tried to germinate the seeds. I had an entire hill of Japanese maples, dogwoods and azaleas. Every year, I would go through the 1000's (literally) of baby JM's looking for the good ones. The promising ones were potted and the rest pulled up. None of them were ever Moon maples.

When I have germinated JM's on purpose, I have potted them up and let them sit outside for the year. They always come up in the following spring. If I were to stratify them in the refrig, I would leave them for several months to mimic what they would get outside. That's my whole strategy whenever I germinate any seed - mimic what would happen outside.

You belong to a Bonsai club? How fun is that? I took lessons years ago and also learned a lot from my father in law.
I have only kept a couple bonsai - the ones ok with this climate. Smiling The tiny ones are too labor intensive so I given those all away. I have a couple in training (Ume', an oak and some Pinion Pines) but the only ones I have left are in 2 - 5 gallon pots. I always start with seedlings, never the 'chop and there you have it' bonsai. Smiling My oldest is about 45 years old - a pot of ginkgo.

Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and proclaiming...."WOW What a Ride!!" -Mark Frost

President: Orchid Society of Northern Nevada
Webmaster: osnnv.org
Name: Charline
Toronto (Zone 5b)
Charlinex
May 20, 2020 8:59 PM CST
Daisy, it's great to know you are very experienced with Japanese maples!

My club has many great bonsai artists and is a lot of fun. I joined two years ago, but have not made any bonsai yet. Lots to learn!

Unfortunately with this Covid-19, we cannot go to the monthly meeting until who knows when. :sigh:

The mother tree is blooming.

Thumb of 2020-05-21/Charlinex/97cf93

[Last edited by Charlinex - May 20, 2020 10:04 PM (+)]
Give a thumbs up | Quote | Post #2246061 (7)
Name: Charline
Toronto (Zone 5b)
Charlinex
May 24, 2020 11:35 AM CST
First pair of true leaves? They are no more cotylendons, but do not look like mature leaves either.

Thumb of 2020-05-24/Charlinex/60c610

Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
Not all who wander are lost
Garden Sages Plant Identifier
Image
DaisyI
May 24, 2020 3:52 PM CST
I'll be interested to see what they look like when the leaves stretch out. Right now, they do look like the JM seedlings under my old Moon Maple but, once the seedlings grew leaves, they weren't the right leaves.

I don't know the parentage of Acer Japonicum so, its hard to say what they might be.
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and proclaiming...."WOW What a Ride!!" -Mark Frost

President: Orchid Society of Northern Nevada
Webmaster: osnnv.org
Name: Charline
Toronto (Zone 5b)
Charlinex
May 28, 2020 3:10 PM CST
Just an photo update.


Thumb of 2020-05-28/Charlinex/3bfeb2


Thumb of 2020-05-28/Charlinex/a10606


Thumb of 2020-05-28/Charlinex/e14905

Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
Not all who wander are lost
Garden Sages Plant Identifier
Image
DaisyI
May 28, 2020 9:55 PM CST
That's exactly what mine looked like. I never bothered to keep one so if yours turn out with the right leaves, I will be totally bummed. D'Oh!
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and proclaiming...."WOW What a Ride!!" -Mark Frost

President: Orchid Society of Northern Nevada
Webmaster: osnnv.org
Name: Charline
Toronto (Zone 5b)
Charlinex
May 28, 2020 10:12 PM CST
DaisyI said:That's exactly what mine looked like. I never bothered to keep one so if yours turn out with the right leaves, I will be totally bummed. D'Oh!


What are the leaf colors of yours in autumn? Dancing Peacock tree has brilliant red shades in the fall.

I would be interested in seeing a photo of the leaves of yours.
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
Not all who wander are lost
Garden Sages Plant Identifier
Image
DaisyI
May 30, 2020 12:07 PM CST
I had a very old one at my old house. It was a gift from a nurseryman who was angry at his 'hired help' (they pruned the center out!). He figured if anyone could turn it back into a beautiful tree, I could. I never knew its name.
Thumb of 2020-05-30/DaisyI/b279a4

I planted a little Moon Maple (about 5 years old) that is supposed to be Acer japonicum 'Emmit's Pumpkin' from Forest Farms but I don't think it is. I argued with them about it and sent them photos. They eventually refunded my money and I haven't gotten anything from them since. The best part is they admitted their Emmit's Pumpkin had never looked like the one on the internet so they used the photos from the internet in their catalog instead of their own trees. I just looked and they have new photos, still calling it Emmit's Pumpkin and its completely different. The leaves aren't even the right shape.

Anyway, here is my current Moon Maple, whatever it might be. Its a pretty tree but not spectacular.
Thumb of 2020-05-30/DaisyI/2adbf6

The little one I posted with A. circinatum came without a tag (I found it in the corner of a little nursery that was going out of business). When I asked them how much it was, they didn't know what it was or where it came from so it was cheap. Smiling


Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and proclaiming...."WOW What a Ride!!" -Mark Frost

President: Orchid Society of Northern Nevada
Webmaster: osnnv.org
Name: Charline
Toronto (Zone 5b)
Charlinex
May 30, 2020 8:15 PM CST
Daisy, the first photo looks like Dancing Peacock! nodding

My seedlings have different colors. Will take some photos tomorrow.
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
Not all who wander are lost
Garden Sages Plant Identifier
Image
DaisyI
May 30, 2020 8:35 PM CST
I don't know. It never got very tall (maybe 15 ft tall and 25 ft wide) but, the center had been cut out when it was just a child. I had so many JMs on that hill, it could have crossed with anything.

I'm looking forward to seeing your seedlings.
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and proclaiming...."WOW What a Ride!!" -Mark Frost

President: Orchid Society of Northern Nevada
Webmaster: osnnv.org
Name: Charline
Toronto (Zone 5b)
Charlinex
May 31, 2020 11:16 AM CST
Here is another update. It's interesting that they have different colors now.


Thumb of 2020-05-31/Charlinex/7382f8

Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
Not all who wander are lost
Garden Sages Plant Identifier
Image
DaisyI
May 31, 2020 11:33 AM CST
Genetic diversity. Every seed has its own unique genetic make up. That's what makes growing from seed so much fun.
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and proclaiming...."WOW What a Ride!!" -Mark Frost

President: Orchid Society of Northern Nevada
Webmaster: osnnv.org
Name: Charline
Toronto (Zone 5b)
Charlinex
Jun 3, 2020 12:42 PM CST
Looks like there is another interesting mutation. I wasn't sure if this one would survive, but perhaps its leaves are turning out to be more fern-like?

Or is it just a weak plant?

Thumb of 2020-06-03/Charlinex/3932c1

Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
Not all who wander are lost
Garden Sages Plant Identifier
Image
DaisyI
Jun 3, 2020 6:57 PM CST
That one may be the keeper in the bunch. Crossing Fingers!
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and proclaiming...."WOW What a Ride!!" -Mark Frost

President: Orchid Society of Northern Nevada
Webmaster: osnnv.org
Name: Steve
Port Orchard, WA (Zone 8b)
BrooklynStart
Jun 3, 2020 8:42 PM CST
[Last edited by BrooklynStart - Jun 3, 2020 8:50 PM (+)]
Give a thumbs up | Quote | Post #2262195 (20)

Page 1 of 3 • 1 2 3

« Garden.org Homepage
« Back to the top
« Forums List
« Japanese Maples forum
Only the members of the Members group may reply to this thread.

Member Login:

[ Join now ]

Today's site banner is by IrisLilli and is called "Water Lily"

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.