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May 19, 2020 8:30 AM CST
Name: Ed
South Alabama (Zone 8b)
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Ok, I wouldn't think that would be OD'ing the plants with fertilizer. Let'em dry out some and see how they do. Thumbs up
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May 19, 2020 9:41 AM CST
Name: SoCal
Orange County (Zone 10a)
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DougL said:For containers, and especially seedlings, you need to fertilize at half strength or less.

Now, compost won't work well in a container as a fertilizer. First of all, it's a VERY mild fertilizer, and even in the ground it's a VERY slow fertilizer. Containers don't have anywhere near the bacterial population that you need to break down organic fertilizers of any kind. So they kinda just sit there.

If this is fertilizer burn, you need to flush the mix with water. The stuff will leach effectively. Yeah, it'll get really wet. But let it drain, and it'll be fine.


When the seedlings are young, mild fertilizer is best.
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May 19, 2020 12:15 PM CST
Name: Doug
Texas (Zone 8b)
But it's slow too, which means you don't even get the "mild" for a while. Compost NPK is low, and even that NPK is only released as the compost degrades. That can take weeks in the ground. In containers there isn't even much to make it degrade. I use large amounts of compost, but I never use it as fertilizer.
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May 19, 2020 12:20 PM CST
Name: SoCal
Orange County (Zone 10a)
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I noticed that my compost was much more effective than the worm compost bag that I purchased, so I'm not buying them anymore.
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May 19, 2020 1:33 PM CST
Franklin, TN
As I was walking by the tomatoes and cucumber pots, I noticed this Japanese maple tree I'm growing. This pot was also being watered like I was doing with the tomatoes and cucumbers. I think I have watered this one too much too. A few of the tips are brown I learned my lesson.


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May 21, 2020 12:58 PM CST
Franklin, TN
I just want to thank you all for the great advice. I backed off the watering and let them be so they could breath. In just three days the plants look so much better. Again, Thanks!


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May 21, 2020 1:03 PM CST
Name: Ed
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Hurray!
I'm glad they're looking better!!! I'm looking forward to production reports...but most of all a taste report!!! Thumbs up Keep is posted!!!
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May 23, 2020 9:08 AM CST

I have the same problem with my cucumbers, yellowing around the edges. I am going to feed them some deluded fish emulsion this morning. I do use chemical fertilizers or nutrients, only all natural since I am going to eat them. I have raised beds and 7 gallon cloth bags, my cucumbers are in the cloth (fiber) bags. They are filled with organic soil and yes you can add compost and top dressing to containers.
I would cut back on the fertilizer, as for watering, since you have them in container, you will have to water more often, check before you water, if your soil is dry one inch down, water and really drench them well.
I will post as to how the fish emulsion worked or did not. I will also be speaking to the master gardener in my area with this problem and get back with what he tells me.
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May 28, 2020 11:15 AM CST
Franklin, TN
Another quick update. The Cucumber and Tomato plants are looking so healthy. I spray every now and then with Dr. Earth Veg. Garden Insect Killer. Worried about those beetles......
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Jun 2, 2020 3:51 PM CST
Franklin, TN
So it looks like I'm past the rainy - afternoon showers and onto the 90 degree days with lots of sun. Would you recommend watering every day with this heat?... Don't want to screw this up now.....
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Jun 3, 2020 9:03 AM CST
Name: Ed
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A little wilt in the evening is ok. Wilt in the morning isn't being as the plant should recuperate from the heat by then. Feel with your fingers and see if the soil is moist down an inch or two. Or, if you have a moisture meter, use it. I would think, being in containers that they should be ok for at least a couple of days. When you water, water deeply. Pay attention to how long it takes for them to get somewhat dry and you can set a rough watering schedule.

Glad to hear they're still doing well! Thumbs up
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Jun 3, 2020 2:44 PM CST
Franklin, TN
Moisture meter a great idea. Thanks!
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Jun 3, 2020 3:13 PM CST
Name: Ed
South Alabama (Zone 8b)
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I saw one at Walmart the other day....basic meter follows the KISS principle...only for $5. Thumbs up
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Jun 8, 2020 11:36 AM CST
Franklin, TN
Need help with my Tomato plants. One plant seems healthy and full, with a rich green color.
The other plant not as healthy. They were planted at the same time, same seeds and soil. see pics

Nice Color and full....
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This tomato plant is not growing as fast, doesn't look as healthy and the leaves are not that rich green....
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Jun 16, 2020 4:03 PM CST
Franklin, TN
Ok, I have a cucumber growing! It's about to touch the soil in the pot. Should I protect it from the soil?
I'm excited!!

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Jun 19, 2020 9:14 AM CST
Name: Ed
South Alabama (Zone 8b)
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Sorry, Groverson. I've been out of pocket for a while...still, just dropping by. Since nobody else has given you thoughts on the above I'll shoot some at you.

Tomato plants...how are they doing now? One doing good and one not...could be genetics. Are both the same kind of tomato plant? Potted plants need fertilizing regularly...not too much, follow directions.

Cucumber on soil... Should be ok. If you feel better about it you could lay a little seed-free grass clippings beneath it or a small piece of cardboard. If you have trouble with slugs/snails I'd probably opt for the clippings as the slimers will hide beneath the cardboard. Cucumbers will grow fast. Don't let them get to big/old...better young.

Enjoy.
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Jun 20, 2020 5:33 AM CST
Franklin, TN
Hi and thanks. Well, I have a problem with the tomato plants. They are about 4 feet tall with no flowers at all?
They look healthy and growing nicely. I'm not sure what to do? I water them everyday. It's hot and humid here in Tennessee. The Home Depot person said it could be any number of things. Too much water, not enough water. Too much nitrogen or not enough. Too hot and humid - confusing.

The cucumber plants are flowering and doing fine. Do tomato plants flower much later than the cucs? Is there something I can try? It's only two large pots. Maybe I should buy some miracle grow?.....
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Jun 20, 2020 7:34 AM CST
Name: Ed
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No flowers at all? It isn't unusual to have flowers soon after transplanting to the garden so 4' tall plants should definitely have some flowers...and tomatoes.

Too much nitrogen can cause nice foliage growth but at the expense of buds and flowers. Too little magnesium and potassium can cause a lack of buds and blooms. The "Shake'n Feed" has an analysis of 12-4-8...12 pounds of nitrogen per 100 pounds, 4 pounds of phosphorus, and 8 pounds of potassium per 100 pounds. In the amounts we use just look at it as a ratio or something. In this instance the highest nutrient is nitrogen. Get something like Scott's "Super Bloom"...it is designed to target the blooming needs of plants with a high (very high) phosphorus content. Something similar with a high phosphorus content might push the plants to bloom.

What you said about temperature may have something to do with the current lack of blooms, but I would think they would have had blooms earlier during cooler times. Anyhow...high daytime *and* nighttime temperatures can cause a plant not to put on buds. It's stated that nighttime temps above 75F and daytime temps above 95F can cause tomato plants to halt blooming or setting of blooms. I think humidity plays into this, too. Whereas in areas of low-humidity the temperatures could be higher and plants would still bloom and set fruit but in high-humidity areas the plants won't.

I just looked at the forecast for Franklin, TN, and it doesn't look like you are in temperature extremes that would stop your plants from blooming so I have to think that it is a nutrient issue. Simple bone meal would raise the phosphorus level but I would say a complete N-P-K type fertilizer with a high P content would be best.

Hope this helps some,
Ed
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Jun 20, 2020 7:44 AM CST
Name: Ed
South Alabama (Zone 8b)
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Some good info on fertilizing tomato plants... http://www.tomatodirt.com/toma...

Also, you might want to hold off on spraying the insecticides for now.

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