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GreenBee01
May 20, 2020 8:23 AM CST
I recently purchased this plant online. It was being sold as a philodendron sodiroi. The more I look at this plant the more I am thinking it may not be a sodiroi.

What do you think sodiroi or a hybrid?
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I love this plant no matter what he is😁

Denver, Co
GreenBee01
May 20, 2020 5:33 PM CST
Well I have been told a few time that I have a p. Mamei. I don't think thats what I have. I know the name sodiroi is not a recognized name. And the proper name is probably p. ornatum.

Why I don't think my plant is a mamei. The petiole nore the leaf blad looks to be 100% the same. Yes the two plants look similar.

I would have never question the name of the plant if a few people had not put it in to question.

Any thoughts??
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Gina1960
May 20, 2020 5:35 PM CST
I do not believe your plant is Philodendron sodiroi. It is either Philo brandiatum or Philo mamei.

I can't see from your photos well enough with my poor eyesight but are the petioles smooth green with white striations, or just smooth green? DO they have a D shaped attachment or a flat attachment? Are there any wings?(I don't see wings)

These are the differences between P. brandiatum, P. sodiroi and P. mamei:

the prime thing that makes me say its NOT sodiroi is that sodiroi has red, warty petioles. Your plant does not have these. Sodiroi comes from Peru. The lateral veins are widely spaced. It is a climber

Mamei has petioles that are smooth green with white striations. They are narrow, D shaped or mildly flat, and have small wings. Mamei is endemic (only found in) Ecuador. It is primarily a creeper but it can climb

Brandiatum has a smooth green petiole which is small compared to the size of the leaf proper. The lateral veins are not very visible until the leaf is much larger. It is a climber.

All have the silver splashing to some degree.

So based on these criteria, I would think that you probably have a Philo brandiatum

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Gina1960
May 20, 2020 5:41 PM CST
This is a Philo brandiatum
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GreenBee01
May 20, 2020 8:16 PM CST
Thanks Gina,

The petioles has a D shap. I don't really see the white striations. Maybe they will become more prominent when the plant gets bigger?

I didn't think it was a mamei because I have this plant(see photos) that I have had for about a year that was label as mamei from the greenhouse I purchased it from.

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Name: Tofi
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tofitropic
May 20, 2020 8:51 PM CST
GreenBee01 said:
I love this plant no matter what he is😁

I think yours a brandtianum too. Young sodiroi and brandtianum are, quite similar, but mature leaves are quite different. below is a mature sodiroi of mine.
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Denver, Co
GreenBee01
May 20, 2020 8:58 PM CST
I did not see your photo before I posted. After seeing your plant I think you are spot on.

The petioles is flat on top with a curve on the bottom side. It is not narrow at the attachment point. I attached more photos of the petioles


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Would a mamei look like this one?



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Denver, Co
GreenBee01
May 20, 2020 9:20 PM CST
tofitropic said:
I think yours a brandtianum too. Young sodiroi and brandtianum are, quite similar, but mature leaves are quite different. below is a mature sodiroi of mine.
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Thanks for your help. Your plant is lovely.
Can you post a photo of the back of your leaf? I am trying to find the back side of the leaf online and not having a great deal of secses. Angry
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tofitropic
May 20, 2020 9:55 PM CST
GreenBee01 said:
Would a mamei look like this one?
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does this one has silvery pattern infront, it's more like a P pastazanum (or coul also Mc dowell) to my eyes
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tofitropic
May 20, 2020 10:01 PM CST
GreenBee01 said:
Can you post a photo of the back of your leaf? I am trying to find the back side of the leaf online and not having a great deal of secses. Angry

Sorry, I am out of town now, I will be back at home at Saturday, I do have P sodiroi, pastazanum, mamey, Mc dowell, plowmannii and brandtianum (but the brandtianum is just a baby). I can take pict for comparisons of those much confused and mislabelled at nursery, but I'm sorry that will be delay, please forgive....

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GreenBee01
May 21, 2020 6:27 AM CST
tofitropic said:
does this one has silvery pattern infront, it's more like a P pastazanum (or coul also Mc dowell) to my eyes


Yes this plant as the silver splash on the front. I found it on the internet with pick of both sides. Just trying to understand and up a pick to each variety. 😁
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Gina1960
May 21, 2020 6:50 AM CST
GreenBee01 said:I did not see your photo before I posted. After seeing your plant I think you are spot on.

The petioles is flat on top with a curve on the bottom side. It is not narrow at the attachment point. I attached more photos of the petioles


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Would a mamei look like this one?



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The main differentiation with Mamei is between it and Plowmanii not it and SOdiroi. If you have a Mamei it should have wings, even if they are very small, on the petiole. Telling the difference between these 2 (and also between McDowell and pastazanum can be really difficult. McDowell does have a striking unique white veining but other than tat they all look a lot the same.

The main differences between Mamei and Plowmanii are these:

Plowmanii has veins that are more widely spaced and more sunken in, wider flatter petioles with wider bigger wings, its true stem (trunk) usually stays buried below the soil level, and it will not climb

Mamei has very prominent secondary veining that branches off of the primary veining, making it look like it has a lot more veins, and they are not very deeply indented in the leaf
Mamei has narrow petioles often D shaped at the attachment that may be a little flattened and very small wings
The stem/trunk usually stays above the soil level, and it can climb if it wants to or creep.

I will take photos of mine later to day.
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tofitropic
May 24, 2020 8:42 PM CST
GreenBee01 said:
Can you post a photo of the back of your leaf? I am trying to find the back side of the leaf online and not having a great deal of secses. Angry

@GreenBee01 I am so sorry for replying late, we are having a major holiday here in my country... here is the back side of the Sodiroi's leave, showing petiole with reddish color and bumpy surface
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tofitropic
May 24, 2020 8:43 PM CST
here is the Sodiroi's stem showing a true climber philo behaviour
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tofitropic
May 24, 2020 8:45 PM CST
the baby sodiroi
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tofitropic
May 24, 2020 8:51 PM CST
When young Sodiroi can easily confused with Brandtianum. My brandtianum is still a baby, but the one of yours are exactly similar with a mature specimen I saw.
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note that the petiole is smooth, and I don't think it is reddish in color.
The leaves shape is also shorter and rounder, compared to a more elongated Sodiroi (at least on my plant...I guess)

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tofitropic
May 24, 2020 8:54 PM CST
Another one that bit similar when young is 'Majestic', how ever the petioles, and the back side is also different.
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tofitropic
May 24, 2020 8:56 PM CST
GreenBee01 said:
Would a mamei look like this one?
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Here's how my mamei for comparison
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tofitropic
May 24, 2020 9:02 PM CST
Mamei often mislabeled for a Plowmanii, and there are some variation of plowmanii as well as mamei in market in my country too,.. to add the confusion.
However here is the one that I have
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both mamey and plowmanii have winged petioles, but I've seen mamey with very few ruffled on their petioles too

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tofitropic
May 24, 2020 9:22 PM CST
GreenBee01 said:
Would a mamei look like this one?
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The petioles in the above plant is smooth, that made me think of pastazanum, but I notice pastazanum ( at least mine)... have a closed sinus. so I'm not sure what yours is

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