Plant ID forum→What kind of maple tree?

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Milpitas, CA
SoulReaver009
May 24, 2020 9:29 PM CST
Can you tell me what kind of maple tree this is?

It's giving off seeds, so I know it's a female tree.

The red leaves are the on the parts that get a good amount of sunlight.

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Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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DaisyI
May 24, 2020 10:20 PM CST
Maples are monoecious - both male and female flowers are on the same tree. That tree looks like Acer palmatum. If you want to grow the seeds, you have to let them ripen on the tree.
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Milpitas, CA
SoulReaver009
May 24, 2020 10:26 PM CST
How can you tell which maple it is specifically?

If I found another acer palmatum and wanted to pollinate it so that it would have 2 different parents, how would I do that??

Is there any way to have that verified?
Will an arborist be able to certify it, as an Acer Palmatum? Or whatever it is? Or is it impossible at this point?
Name: John
Pomona/Riverside CA (Zone 9a)
CPPgardener
May 24, 2020 10:39 PM CST
I agree with Daisy, it is definitely Acer palmatum. Exactly which variety is a whole nother question. To cross pollinate it you need to find another tree and collect pollen and then apply it to your tree's flowers. They bloom right about the time the new leaves emerge, about 2 months ago. As Daisy said, you have to leave the seeds on the tree until they are ripe in the fall— right about the time the leaves color up and start to fall. They need to be "stratified", which means they need a good 2–3 month winter in temps near or slightly below freezing. Not the fastest process but if you want your own special variety it can be interesting.
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Milpitas, CA
SoulReaver009
May 24, 2020 11:46 PM CST
Then that's what I will do. Thank you.

Is it true that I don't want to have seeds with only 1 parent?
Meaning a single plant that self pollinated.

I've heard that it can lead to weaker offspring, and if done for multiple generations, you can end up with sterile or non viable offspring.
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Silversurfer
May 25, 2020 2:32 AM CST
I agree your tree appears to be Acer palmatum.

The seeds/keys of Acers are called samara.
For each sp there are distinguishing features... speed of growth, shape /size of leaf, bark and the samara. Different Acer sp the angle of the seed pods/samara is different.Not easy for anyone except Acer expert.

eg.This is Acer circinatum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

Below is Acer Griseum.
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Below is Acer pseudoplatanus

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In UK Acer palmatum seeds grow easily...each seed will produce a tree that may be slightly different from the parent. (Think of humans... Female plus male ..... the children will all be slightly different from mother and father and different from the siblings)

Young plants Of Acer palmatum are used as rootstock for the very many special named Acer palmatum dissectum.Only by grafting can you guarantee a named special...a clone...an identical tree

To cross pollinate plants involves taking pollen from the male flower of one tree to the female flower of another.
Then protecting that flower so no other pollen falls on to it.
Not at all sure why you would want to bother to do this.
Far quicker to grow from seed that you have.
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Milpitas, CA
SoulReaver009
May 25, 2020 2:36 PM CST
omg. I was about to post a reply saying how confused I was. And asking if someone has been harboring the cuttings of the original acer in secret for hundreds of years...

Lol.

The reason why is because all of the plants today have diverse genealogies. They are not pure breads, like dogs. Acer palmatum is not a pure bread type of maple tree (if one even exists anymore, or ever existed, still, by the time of recorded history).
I would go out on a limb and say no species in plantae kingdom are anymore.
That's why, if I find another acer palmatum and pollinate them, I will end up with a maple tree that is "who knows what".

Is that correct?
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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DaisyI
May 25, 2020 3:29 PM CST
Yes. Even if the seeds were pollinated by male flowers from the same tree, the seedlings might look different but the likelihood of looking like the parent tree is greater. Characteristics can be picked up anywhere throughout the genetic history of the tree. Its why my uncle and I are the only blue eyed people in a brown eyed family.

Don't worry about incestuous trees producing weakling or inferior trees. If that happened, the trees would slowly adapt by needing a pollinator from a second tree. Its survival of the fittest in genetics.
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Name: Kelly
Redding, California (Zone 9b)
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KellyFW
May 25, 2020 4:06 PM CST
Maple twig cuttings root easily. I've done cuttings for boxelder and it is an Acer (maple). A cutting will give you a plant genetically identical to the parent tree. That would give you a tree faster (usually) and of known genetics.
Name: John
Pomona/Riverside CA (Zone 9a)
CPPgardener
May 25, 2020 5:19 PM CST
Soulreaver- There are 'pure' Japanese maples in........Japan, where they grow wild in the hills. Most of them don't look like the fancy selected varieties but some of the fancy varieties look a lot like the wild ones.
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Milpitas, CA
SoulReaver009
May 25, 2020 6:07 PM CST
Really? Cppgardener I will very much look into that.

I haven't hit my tree phase yet.
Which is why I thought I had a female maple tree. lol

I thought I heard someone say that maple trees are only one gender. But I guess not.

I (hopefully *fingers crossed*) will hit my tree phase in fall.
That will be when my maple seeds are mature, and I can plant them and see what I get. My neighborhood has so many different maple trees. We probably have about 10+ maple trees on my block. I live on a circle street so...

The different saplings will be fun. Thank you all again.

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