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Name: Lynda Horn
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gardenfish
May 27, 2020 2:06 AM CST
Ok, I confess. In the past I didn't tag my plants. I do now. I have a very nice OT blooming right now that I would like to post a pic of, but don't know The name of it. I went through the lily database, all 62 pages of it! And found what I think it is. The one I think it is it Triumphator. Check it out, then my pic below. What do y'all think?
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Lucius93
May 27, 2020 3:54 AM CST
It looks like 'Trimuphator' to me which is, by the way. LO hybrid. Check this description in lily register and then compare:
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Name: Lynda Horn
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gardenfish
May 27, 2020 6:32 AM CST
Thanks so much Lucius! Can I pick your brain a little more? What are the differences among LO, OT, and OA? I know they all have an oriental parent. So in each is the other parent a trumpet, asiatic, and a longiflorum? I get confused!
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Lucius93
May 27, 2020 8:23 AM CST
Yes, you are right. LO = longiflorum oriental...OT = oriental trumpet...OA = oriental asiatic.
You can easily spot the difference by looking at the format of the plant and its flowers. LO hybrids usually have long funnel shaped blooms and their leaves and stems resembles those of longiflorum. Prone to virus. OT hybrids are giants (thats why we call them tree lilies) to which oriental genes give a beautiful scent and flower size, and trumpet/aurelian genes give them a tall stem and a large number of buds. Aurelians means they have henryi genes inside them and those flowers have recurved petals (usually). OA hybrids...don't know what specific to say about them. They have larger flowers then asiatics and some of them can have fragrance. Very hardy. I hope i explain it right. Sticking tongue out
The easiest way to recognize different hybrids is using photos. I won't link or copy/paste any photo here. Just go to database and find:
'Triumphator' - typical LO hybrid.
'High Tea' - OT hybrid with strong trumpet genes.
'Robina' - OT hybrid with strong oriental genes.
(you can see "genes" looking at stems and flower shape)
'Scheherazade' - OT hybrid with strong aurelian genes.
Can't remember any OA hybrid at the moment.
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gardenfish
May 27, 2020 11:58 AM CST
Thank you so much! Now it's clear to me. I really liked how you described the difference in the blooms and leaves. I tip my hat to you.
I don't know if you remember when I posted a question about the lily virus in early spring. I was posting a pic of early growth with what I thought was the virus( It was) and which lily had it ( I was mistaken). I thought it was on my tigers, which I removed. It was on this one, which I didn't get rid of, and which you just ID and now tell me it's prone to the virus.
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Lucius93
May 27, 2020 12:07 PM CST
Thank you for the acorns! I tip my hat to you.
Yes, i remember. I posted also on that thread. I read on this forum that they are prone to the virus and your case can pretty much confirm that now.

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gardenfish
May 27, 2020 1:48 PM CST
You're welcome.I still don't see any sign of the virus spreading.I will pull these up too, I guess, but first I'm going to enjoy the blooms!
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Nhra_20
May 27, 2020 3:22 PM CST
'Kaveri' is the most common OA I can think of. But also there are now AOA hybrids which are an AO x Asiatic.
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gardenfish
May 27, 2020 3:27 PM CST
Yes, I've seen those. Gilbert Wild in Missouri has some this year.
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Leftwood
May 27, 2020 3:33 PM CST
"Virus prone" doesn't mean you should get rid of it. Lilium candidum is virus prone, but do you see Lucius getting rid of his beautiful L. candidums? No! "Virus prone" in lilies means that the lily is more likely to suffer debilitating symptoms and die quicker. Other lilies could be just as likely to contract a virus as a virus prone lily, just not as likely to show strong symptoms or die as quickly, or they might not die at all and carry the virus as a constant source to infect new lilies. the only exception is if a lily tends to attract sucking insects (like aphids) that are vectors for lily viruses. Then that particular lily would be more apt to contract a virus, and then spread it to nearby lilies.

If grandma and granddaughter are both exposed to COVID-19 in the same way, they both have an equal chance of infection. But grandma is "virus prone" because if she gets it, her symptoms are more severe.

No need to throw grandma away prematurely. LOL A virus prone lily might be good to keep around. Like a canary in a coal mine, it might tell you if you have viruses already lurking in your garden.
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gardenfish
May 27, 2020 3:43 PM CST
Thank you Rick, as usual, your common sense prevails. I did have a bad aphid issue on all my lilies last year, the first aphids I've had at this location. I'm monitoring them really close, I already have aphids on my tomatoes and have used insecticidal soap on them. Would this be ok for the lilies? And I just can't bear the thought of pulling these lilies up, they're so sweetly fragrant and so very pretty. I didn't mind that I pulled up the tigers, they're certainly not my favorites. Here's one of my asiatics that's blooming now. Really shines, I do love this one.


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Nhra_20
May 27, 2020 3:46 PM CST
Good analogy Rick!

I honestly think every lily bulb is probably virused to some extent. All these bulbs come the same places, from the same grounds and the same gardens. It's inevitable that there might be virus in our own gardens, just not showing signs of it. Some lilies can tolerate virus better than others. Sometimes weather or stress can show symptoms of virus as well. I do think the pink OTs seem to be more apt to show both signs of stress and or virus before others though, along with the red and purples in second.

Again, it's my opinion though. Now if I had something that was completely mottled and the color was streaking and extremely bad, then of course I would dig it up and toss it. And I remember Lorn always saying to look at the reverse side of the bloom to see if the streaking showed on the reverse, then it was a high probability it was a virused plant.
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Lucius93
May 27, 2020 3:59 PM CST
Nhra_20 said:I do think the pink OTs seem to be more apt to show both signs of stress and or virus before others though, along with the red and purples in second.

Not only OTs but every single pink lily (especially light pink). My 'Robina' is still fine after 5 years. Let's hope it stays that way because it's beautiful.
@Leftwood You're right. It's nice to have one (or more) virus prone lilies inside (or near) your main lily bed. I'll definitely place some candidums near my hybrids and other species.

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Lucius93
May 27, 2020 4:02 PM CST
gardenfish said:I'm monitoring them really close, I already have aphids on my tomatoes and have used insecticidal soap on them. Would this be ok for the lilies?

I am using the same aphid killer on my vegetables and flowers. Everything is ok so far.

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gardenfish
May 27, 2020 4:10 PM CST
Thanks, that's good to know. I've never has so many aphids before. I had three different kinds of them. A grayish brown one on the tomatoes, a bright orange one on the milkweed ,and a green one on the lilies. Funny thing is never a single aphid on my roses.
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Lucius93
May 27, 2020 4:18 PM CST
I inspected my lilies every day and killed every aphid i found. Thanks God only few of them but there is another little flying insect which likes to suck from lily buds. A lot of them this year. I spent a lot of insecticide but they are coming and coming.
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Leftwood
May 27, 2020 7:49 PM CST
The Safer Insecticidal Soap label says do not use on lilies. But, not realizing this, I have sprayed lilies with insecticidal soap before. They seemed fine. But if I need to do it again sometime, I think I would switch to neem oil, just to be more safe.

Lucius, if end up planting candidum in different kinds of soils, it would be interesting to observe any differences in growth in them.
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gardenfish
May 28, 2020 1:01 AM CST
I have Neem oil, too. I will re read the label on the soap. My brand is from Bonide. It has spinosad added to it, in addition to the potassium salts of fatty acids.
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May 28, 2020 5:32 AM CST

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Whether Neem or Safer soap (I'm not sure why this is not used on lilies, hmmm). In both cases you must be sure to avoid the buds and flowers, just spray the leaves as both will have a detrimental effect on the flower, spots etc.
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gardenfish
May 28, 2020 6:53 AM CST
Ok, thanks Tracy! I did notice nearly all the aphids were concentrated on the leaves closest to the flowers, the newest leaves, or I guess from the aphids point of view, the most tender leaves.
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