Plant ID forum→Tree-like weed or weed-like tree?

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Amiencc79
Jun 5, 2020 7:24 PM CST
Two of these sprouted up in our retaining wall and grew so fast I didn't notice until tiday! They have a single skinny, woody trunk that's only about .5 inch in diameter, if even that much, and are about 4 feet tall with branches and leaves only at the very top. If you look closely at the second photo you can see the skinny trunk curve out almost like a palm tree. It doesn't seem like a sumac ... Is it a baby Black Walnut? I'm in Kentucky. Does anyone know what this is?
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KellyFW
Jun 5, 2020 9:44 PM CST
Maybe a Wisteria? Have you seen other Wisteria nearby?
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tofitropic
Jun 5, 2020 10:34 PM CST
Tree of Heaven (Ailanthus Altissima), may be...?
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Jun 5, 2020 10:49 PM CST
Do the leaves smell like nasty peanut butter? If so, then it's Tree From Hell (excuse me , of heaven). If it's more spicy then probably walnut or possibly pecan.
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DaisyI
Jun 5, 2020 10:51 PM CST
Only Ailanthus Altissima grows that fast. Crush a leaf and tell us how it smells.
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Silversurfer
Jun 6, 2020 2:42 AM CST
Ailanthus Altissima

Final check for the future..look for the gland on the leaflets.
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Louisville
Amiencc79
Jun 6, 2020 4:10 PM CST
Thanks for all of the responses! I noticed that the leaves are subtly serrated (the tree of heaven leaves seem to be smooth) and there doesn't appear to be glands on the leaves though they are unequal at the base. The stems are fuzzy brown and the smell is kind of a fake astringent pine-y smell. Not good but not offensive. I included a side-by-side of the mystery plant on the left and a cutting from our black walnut on the right. They smell similar with the mystery plant being slightly more pungent.

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Name: John
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ViburnumValley
Jun 6, 2020 4:55 PM CST
Good job, Amiencc79 - the closeup images and diagnostic examination (including comparative anatomy!) lead to useful conclusions.

I'd agree with the Black Walnut estimation (Juglans nigra). I believe Tree of Heaven (Ailanthus altissima) will be glabrous on its body parts.

As one who has spent several decades working in Louisville (parks department landscape architect), I also heartily welcome you to the forum. With a little cajoling, I have been known to make site visits for horticultural analysis and to recommend remedies.

In this case, a Black Walnut (or any shade tree, for that matter) growing against a retaining wall is not a good long term plan. Your resident squirrels need better direction on selecting cache locations.
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DaisyI
Jun 6, 2020 6:38 PM CST
Amiencc79 said:Thanks for all of the responses! I noticed that the leaves are subtly serrated (the tree of heaven leaves seem to be smooth) and there doesn't appear to be glands on the leaves though they are unequal at the base. The stems are fuzzy brown and the smell is kind of a fake astringent pine-y smell. Not good but not offensive. I included a side-by-side of the mystery plant on the left and a cutting from our black walnut on the right. They smell similar with the mystery plant being slightly more pungent.

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I love it when someone with a question takes an active roll in the solution. Thumbs up
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ViburnumValley
Jun 6, 2020 7:48 PM CST
Unless it's Poison Ivy that they take a roll in...
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porkpal
Jun 6, 2020 8:53 PM CST
Oh, bad!
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Name: John
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ViburnumValley
Jun 6, 2020 10:48 PM CST
It was right there; I couldn't resist...
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DaisyI
Jun 7, 2020 10:25 AM CST
Oops, wrong roll/role. Smiling
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Louisville
Amiencc79
Jun 8, 2020 8:32 AM CST
ViburnumValley said:Good job, Amiencc79 - the closeup images and diagnostic examination (including comparative anatomy!) lead to useful conclusions.

I'd agree with the Black Walnut estimation (Juglans nigra). I believe Tree of Heaven (Ailanthus altissima) will be glabrous on its body parts.

As one who has spent several decades working in Louisville (parks department landscape architect), I also heartily welcome you to the forum. With a little cajoling, I have been known to make site visits for horticultural analysis and to recommend remedies.

In this case, a Black Walnut (or any shade tree, for that matter) growing against a retaining wall is not a good long term plan. Your resident squirrels need better direction on selecting cache locations.


Thank you for the laugh, for the hearty welcome (I'm so excited to run into a fellow Lou local! I'm over in Eastwood and L-O-V-E the Louisville parks system! A++!), and for the authoritative conclusion to our leafy mystery! I've scheduled a team meeting with our squirrels to reiterate the importance of avoiding the landscape during their nut relocation efforts. I'm sure they will find my remedy of their oversight hilarious (along with the golfers riding along the cart path mere feet from the retaining wall) as my rear end hangs out of the giant bush that a furry someone sneakily chose to bury it behind. Acorn Rolling my eyes.

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