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Name: Alex
Toronto, Ontario
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Jun 6, 2020 2:16 PM CST
I just got a couple of those grasses clumps today and thinking where to place them. Originally I thought between my taller peonies and my growing yew hedge ( hedge goes north-east direction and there is still space between individual plants ) - instead of my purple irises as they are too floppy and will need dividing every 3 or 4 years, but now I am thinking about southern or SW as they will actually grow not too tall and will be quite visible after peonies are done blooming. Any suggestions or pictures of the peonies together with tall grasses? Any drawbacks planting them closer than 1 m away from the center of peony? Grasses are for more summer-fall-winter interest... Another plant between peonies and yew hedge that came to my mind was Annabelle hydrangea or oak-leaf hydrangea.
Name: LG
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Mieko2
Jun 6, 2020 3:42 PM CST

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I have a row of various Miscanthus behind one of my peony beds. They get quite tall. I have to tie them up to keep them from flopping.

One of them is slightly fertile, and I have to dig seedlings up occasionally.

It does provide a lot of interest during the summer.
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Name: Jasmin
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Jasmin
Jun 6, 2020 4:28 PM CST
Alex, could you take a photo of the area? It's difficult if we cannot see.
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Name: Alex
Toronto, Ontario
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Jun 6, 2020 5:59 PM CST
LG, can you provide a picture or two?

First 3 pics in early spring and the last one a week or 10 days ago. You can see significant clumps of irises behind peonies. On the last pic - in buds.

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Name: LG
Nashvillle (Zone 7a)
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Jun 7, 2020 9:37 AM CST

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Hi Alex, I got out and took some photos.

Left side of the bed. There are hardy hibiscus, Rudbeckia maxima, monarda, lilies, and Tartarian asters with a row of miscanthus. On the very back are some special magnolias with an American fringe tree, and azaleas underplanted with Aliums, daffodils, snowdrops, and Spanish hyacinths. There is a very nice boxwood in amongst the peonies, too. It's leaves on the top are showing freeze damage.

The peony bed is at least 20 x 20 , and is looking shabby because I will collect the seed pods. It is mainly corals, reds, and yellows in this peony bed.


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Here is the right side of the peony bed. It has Miscanthus, Monarda, Maximilian sunflowers that bloom very late in the fall , lilies, a Crinum, a beautiful DaySpring hydrangea and some daylilies.

Sorry for the weeds.
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Name: Alex
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Jun 7, 2020 9:52 AM CST
Thanks for picture and explanations, LG! It is lovely to have a nice mature trees background for all your flowers. I see that you are keeping your Miscanthus and other tall perennials at least 1.5 m away from peonies, am I right ? My area is more compact and I have to squeeze grass in tight spaces, make some separate spots for grasses vs yours wall of vegetation. I am sure it is quite a sight when in bloom!
Name: LG
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Jun 7, 2020 10:02 AM CST

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Alex, there is a grassy walkway on the other side between the Miscanthus/magnolias and the large trees on the property line that is 15- 20 feet wide.

I have seen Heavy Metal in display gardens, and it is at least three feet wide.
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Name: Jasmin
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Jasmin
Jun 7, 2020 10:29 AM CST
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Alex, this looks tight to me. If you plant clamps of grasses, you will probably have to manage them all the time. It will look nice though. The grass would add nice texture and color.

I wonder is you can plant something else, something that might bloom in the fall, for example.
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Name: Jasmin
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Jasmin
Jun 7, 2020 10:38 AM CST
I like your yews. How big will they get? And how fast? Will they grow towards the peonies and irises? That is, are you looking for something temporary, just to add some interest until the yews get to their shape and form a continues hedge? Or, are you looking for a long term solution?
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Name: Alex
Toronto, Ontario
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Jun 7, 2020 1:41 PM CST
Jasmin, I think I will keep my hedge around 2 m high, but they could get almost twice high with age. They could be trimmed hard, so I could move it up and down at my will. I regret buying them too small, but that did not costs me arm and leg. Good thing about yews they can grow in shade.
You are right that it will be temporarily solution or I have to move my peonies forward a little bit, but I am looking to keep grasses long term for fall and winter interest. I will probably add each clump to the front and back of that peony row and see how they behave - I can always move them later. Irises have to go - I am not ready to divide them every 3 years and it will be stuck between yews and peonies, so it is not convenient to work there in summer or fall.
LG, thanks for letting me know about 3ft width, I will keep it in mind when planting.

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Name: Alex
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Jun 7, 2020 1:58 PM CST
Jasmin, if any of your friends need those purple irises in July or August - let me know. Too many for me to handle.
Name: Anya
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Jun 7, 2020 4:09 PM CST
Alex, very nice color combination!
Name: Jasmin
Toronto, Ontario (Zone 5b)
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Jasmin
Jun 8, 2020 7:42 AM CST
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Stunning color combination Thumbs up Since I am lazy, I would only make more space for the irises towards the yews, and eventually move peonies towards the front to make more space for irises. Perhaps you can replace one (or two) iris clumps with one or two hydrangeas (e.g.., Twist and Shout hydrangea). Or simply replace irises with hydrangeas and leave a couple of the iris clumps, giving them enough space.

Unfortunately, I don't have enough space for big irises, although I like them very much. I'll ask my neighbors. Thank you very much. Your irises are beautiful.
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