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Jun 13, 2020 7:31 AM CST
Warwickshire
We planted out our blur fir Xmas tree in the garden around 14 months ago
It did OK for the first year and had new growth
This year it has suffered very rapid needle drop
We thought that was it, but the very top of the tree has vigouros needle growth the remaining 90 percent has no needles
The appears to be no signs of infestation
Any ideas?
Thanks
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Jun 13, 2020 7:38 AM CST
Name: Big Bill
Livonia Michigan (Zone 6a)
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To provide you with the best opinions as possible, images would be a big help.
Images of the whole tree and closer ones of the problem areas if possible.
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Jun 13, 2020 8:08 AM CST
Warwickshire
Thanks Bill
Here's some images of the dramatic difference between the top and the rest of the tree
Thumb of 2020-06-13/Ruddr/368d8c


Thumb of 2020-06-13/Ruddr/ee3734

Thank You!
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Jun 13, 2020 9:07 AM CST
Name: Big Bill
Livonia Michigan (Zone 6a)
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Goodness, that is not what I had expected!
I was thinking of something more gradual. I am no expert when it comes to evergreens but I know a bit.
My first thought was a root problem that was causing layer by layer to die back, but then why is the top part so nice? It should not be an insect issue because with an insect problem, no area should be unscathed.
Not a fungal problem for the same reason.
Honestly I think it's beyond hope.
And I am clueless.
Taught classes on Orchids and Orchid growing and led hundreds of bird walks. Retired Wildlife Biologist.
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Jun 13, 2020 9:57 AM CST
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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Welcome!

How close is the wall on the other side? Is the bottom part of the tree in the shade? The only thing I can think is the bottom half has too much shade. Spruce trees (and most conifers) don't grow needles in the shade.

Whatever the problem, that's a really bad place for a spruce anyway. They get HUGE!
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Jun 13, 2020 10:32 AM CST
Warwickshire
Thanks Guys
I think your right
It's the shade - it's plant neighbour is a fern
Is there no hope for it
Or could we replant it someone sunnier where its got more room to grow
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Jun 13, 2020 10:40 AM CST
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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The branches that are dead will not grow again, nor will it branch lower on the stem. The green branches at the top will be the bottom branches of the tree. I'm not sure you can transplant a spruce but, you know know until you try it.
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and proclaiming...."WOW What a Ride!!" -Mark Frost

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