Sempervivum forum→Comparing 'Choctaw' around the country/world

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Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jun 18, 2020 10:30 AM CST

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Thanks to Sharon's suggestion we are going to have some fun comparing Sempervivum 'Choctaw' in various growing conditions around the US and world.
We will set a date for the photo to be taken. Chime in on when that date should be. Everyone participating will take a photo of their 'Choctaw' on the chosen date. Each of us will give a short description of lighting, growing medium and basic water conditions.
This photo was taken 3 years ago, so does not count in this comparison experiment.
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How does Saturday, June 20th sound?
Name: Melissa Hopper
St. Helens, Or (Zone 8a)
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MelissaHopper
Jun 18, 2020 11:38 AM CST
Well, that's sort of a bummer. I do not have Choctaw. Sighing!
Name: Sharon Ward
Southern NM/NC (Zone 7a)
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nmschoolhouse
Jun 18, 2020 12:11 PM CST
Yikes. Maybe we should do three at once and you pick the second, Melissa. Maybe Lynn the third. Will that work? I don't see a problem if those involved don't have all three. We could just submit photos and data on what we do have. June 20th is fine with me.
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jun 18, 2020 2:02 PM CST

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Or Melissa can choose another one and we could start a new thread for it so that all we deal with is that particular simp
Name: Melissa Hopper
St. Helens, Or (Zone 8a)
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MelissaHopper
Jun 18, 2020 2:29 PM CST
Oh, don't let me rain on the parade.

I do like Lynns idea. I would be happy to pick a semp but what a dilema. I want to pick one that lots of folks have.

Name: AnnMarie
Between Chicago and Joliet (Zone 5b)
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Sempervivoides
Jun 18, 2020 3:36 PM CST
Or there can be trades set up for acquisition of Certain sempervivum so that there can be data gathered for growers in different zones and climate? Are you factoring in the initial sources or age of colony/plant.

Experiment 1: variability of sempervivum seasonal color across [defined territory] in North America (USA and Canada)

Lets say there are 12 variable sempervivum you want growing data. Define those plants and select growers. Define x amount of growers in Certain territories based on region, climate or zone. Establish a trade for growers if plant is missing from collection or of questionable identity. Set dates for photograph time, at least data gathered once per season. This is reminding me of volunteer work and science fair projects and papers. Thumbs up
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Name: Sharon Ward
Southern NM/NC (Zone 7a)
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nmschoolhouse
Jun 18, 2020 4:53 PM CST
Wow, all these suggestions sound great. I just picked Choctaw because it has been consistently colorful and healthy here.

Melissa, don't fret. We have to start somewhere and no one will have all varieties, except maybe for Lynn Hilarious!
Name: Jo Ann
Washington State (Zone 7a)
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ricos
Jun 18, 2020 9:21 PM CST
This sounds like fun and could be very informative as well. I do not have Chocktaw either.
Maybe I will have what you pick Melissa.
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PaleoTemp
Jun 19, 2020 3:32 AM CST
Maybe we should all choose a NOID and see how it grows all over the world? Hurray!
Name: Sharon Ward
Southern NM/NC (Zone 7a)
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nmschoolhouse
Jun 19, 2020 5:36 AM CST
PaleoTemp said:Maybe we should all choose a NOID and see how it grows all over the world? Hurray!


Yes, I thought the same. After a cross country move almost two years ago, I lost many semps and many more labels. It was truly disheartening. Now that I am rebuilding my collection, all my NOIDs are very interesting. Even more so because they are more developed and great survivors of the move from hot and dry to hot and humid.

But Paleo, how frustrating it would be to compare. I love those names, I guess Sighing!

Name: Jo Ann
Washington State (Zone 7a)
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ricos
Jun 19, 2020 10:30 AM CST
In order to use a noid someone will have to send every participant a plant...a piece of the chosen noid. That will add a couple of years to the experiment. Whistling
I don't think I would want to play that game.
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jun 19, 2020 11:06 AM CST

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I agree Jo Ann. Besides there are way to may great cultivars that most of us have.
Name: AnnMarie
Between Chicago and Joliet (Zone 5b)
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Sempervivoides
Jun 19, 2020 11:50 AM CST
PaleoTemp said:Maybe we should all choose a NOID and see how it grows all over the world? Hurray!


Though it sounds fun, I do not think a NoID is appropriate for thus sort of science experiments. You need a control, and that would be a named cultivar, as they are stable clones.
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Romania, Mures (Zone 6b)
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PaleoTemp
Jun 19, 2020 12:01 PM CST
Ohh, c'mon, it was a joke Whistling
Assuming that everyone owns their own multiple NOIDs, it would be the opposite the study attempts to achieve. Rolling on the floor laughing
Name: AnnMarie
Between Chicago and Joliet (Zone 5b)
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Sempervivoides
Jun 19, 2020 12:52 PM CST
PaleoTemp said:Ohh, c'mon, it was a joke Whistling
Assuming that everyone owns their own multiple NOIDs, it would be the opposite the study attempts to achieve. Rolling on the floor laughing


Oh, lol. I am such a serious nerd. Jokes go right over my head. Mi dispiace.
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Romania, Mures (Zone 6b)
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PaleoTemp
Jun 19, 2020 1:33 PM CST
Hey Smiling no problem.
Name: Sharon Ward
Southern NM/NC (Zone 7a)
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nmschoolhouse
Jun 19, 2020 2:04 PM CST
I got it. But I can laugh at just about anything.

Back to comparing photos...I was not really thinking scientifically. Just being able to see what one person's semp looks like in each region on a given day peaks my interest. If anyone wants to do this, they are welcome to send me a photo of Choctaw tomorrow. I can post my photo along side theirs. If they want to add pertinent info like age, soil ingredients, where obtained is fine.That's a start. If no one out there has Choctaw, perhaps someone can suggest another. I am game for anything Smiling
Name: Sharon Ward
Southern NM/NC (Zone 7a)
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nmschoolhouse
Jun 20, 2020 5:03 PM CST
I got it. But I can laugh at just about anything.

Back to comparing photos...I was not really thinking scientifically. Just being able to see what one person's semp looks like in each region on a given day peaks my interest. If anyone wants to do this, they are welcome to send me a photo of Choctaw tomorrow. I can post my photo along side theirs. If they want to add pertinent info like age, soil ingredients, where obtained is fine.That's a start. If no one out there has Choctaw, perhaps someone can suggest another. I am game for anything Smiling
Name: Sharon Ward
Southern NM/NC (Zone 7a)
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nmschoolhouse
Jun 20, 2020 5:03 PM CST
Yikes. Maybe we should do three at once and you pick the second, Melissa. Maybe Lynn the third. Will that work? I don't see a problem if those involved don't have all three. We could just submit photos and data on what we do have. June 20th is fine with me.
Name: Sharon Ward
Southern NM/NC (Zone 7a)
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nmschoolhouse
Jun 21, 2020 3:09 PM CST
Well, I don't know exactly how to get this thread idea going but I would like to share my photo from this week of my Choctaw. There is some brief history I would like to share first.

I am new at gardening in NC. When living in NM, semps were successful but color change was minimal. Here the changes are more dramatic for me and so far and I am loving it. This coloration has been constant since late winter with varying degrees of apricot, pink and green. SO, if anyone else has one, I would surely love to see what yours looks like.
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