Daylilies forum: What else is similar to ditch lilies?

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Name: Heidi
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mom2cjemma
Jul 25, 2020 3:44 PM CST
I have two small clumps of thisThumb of 2020-07-25/mom2cjemma/4b9dc1
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It is just now blooming in my 5b gardens. It is about 30 inch tall and 2way and 6-7 inches.

I have no idea where these friends came from and really are too late for ditch lilies as they are well done. These two clumps are in 2totally separate gardens. They may have been given to me 5+ years ago. But have never seen them bloom before now.

Ideas??
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bxncbx
Jul 25, 2020 9:47 PM CST
I wish you'd posted this yesterday. I was at the NYBG today looking at their daylilies. I took pics of a bunch of them but didn't go to the historic/species bed because it was too hot. There were some that looked similar to your plant. Not sure when I'll get back (you have to get timed tickets now) but if it's soon I'll have a look for you.
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mom2cjemma
Jul 26, 2020 5:02 AM CST
i'm thinking some type of species daylily since when I went out around 6:30 last night, both flowers were already closing up.

I just can't figure out where they came from. I do have Kwanzo/Flore Peno in my one garden, but not in the other. So I could see if it was a runner in the one garden and just having a weird year, but not sure about how or when it would have made an appearance in my other garden.
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janecapps52
Jul 26, 2020 8:29 AM CST
Those are day lilies; they close at dusk, thus the name. Not to be confused w/ Tiger Lily which is a whole diff. species: prolific and posonous! I can't tell you where they came from b/c I wasn't there, lol!
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mom2cjemma
Jul 26, 2020 8:53 AM CST
janecapps52 said:Those are day lilies; they close at dusk, thus the name. Not to be confused w/ Tiger Lily which is a whole diff. species: prolific and posonous! I can't tell you where they came from b/c I wasn't there, lol!


Not to be rude, but I do know that they are daylilies. I own over 450 different varieties. Most of my daylilies don't close up till after dark. Whatever this is, it starts closing before dusk.

I'm trying to figure out if this is named hybrid, a species or a variation of the Kwanso, which I do own and have in my yard.

I have researched the species varieties, and I am not seeing what I have, which makes me wonder if it is a hybrid. Also, for the record Olallie Daylily Gardens has quiet a nice collection of hemerocallis species on their site.

What is throwing me off is that there is no specific eye band that you see in Kwanso singles and there are fully formed stamens and pistil, and it is much shorter than most of my mature Kwanso scapes.

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SunriseSide
Jul 26, 2020 9:10 AM CST
Kwanso single, for reference
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sooby
Jul 26, 2020 9:15 AM CST
mom2cjemma said:

What is throwing me off is that there is no specific eye band that you see in Kwanso singles and there are fully formed stamens and pistil, and it is much shorter than most of my mature Kwanso scapes.



It could be one of the early crosses from way back when. How accurate is the colour in the picture? You could try looking through Dr. Plodeck's compilation of the Hemerocallis species:

http://www.hemerocallis-specie...

You also might find something here although I don't think there is an exact match:

http://www.gryphongardens.ca/d...

When you mention 'Kwanso' singles, do you mean it doesn't always double for you, or are you referring to the "ditch lily", which is the single-flowering Hemerocallis fulva 'Europa'?
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sooby
Jul 26, 2020 9:17 AM CST
SunriseSide said:Kwanso single, for reference
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'Kwanso' is a double that has abnormal reproductive parts. Do you see it single often, because mine doesn't? Is it a complete flower when it singles (normal pistil including ovary, unlike the double flower)?
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mom2cjemma
Jul 26, 2020 9:38 AM CST
sooby said:

It could be one of the early crosses from way back when. How accurate is the colour in the picture? You could try looking through Dr. Plodeck's compilation of the Hemerocallis species:

http://www.hemerocallis-specie...

You also might find something here although I don't think there is an exact match:

http://www.gryphongardens.ca/d...

When you mention 'Kwanso' singles, do you mean it doesn't always double for you, or are you referring to the "ditch lily", which is the single-flowering Hemerocallis fulva 'Europa'?


Yes, I went through Plodeck's collection. Of everything he has pictures of, there are no matches.

I personally have only had one or two times when my Kwanzo singles and I would have to go back and look through pictures to see if I took any. This is the closest that I have to a single from 2017

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SunriseSide
Jul 26, 2020 12:34 PM CST
@sooby
I don't remember if I ever saw it single any other time and I have a LOT of legacy fans in MI. All the parts seem to be there in the photo taken before the pollen is visible.



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sooby
Aug 14, 2020 8:27 AM CST
SunriseSide said:sooby
I don't remember if I ever saw it single any other time and I have a LOT of legacy fans in MI. All the parts seem to be there in the photo taken before the pollen is visible.



I think looking at your picture closely there is something not normal at the base of the segments/stamens. I've been watching my 'Kwanso' more carefully after this thread and when it gets close to being single there are far more than the normal number of stamens (which makes sense for a daylily that usually produces petaloid stamens, no petaloid tissue = a more or less normal stamen although I've noticed sometimes two are fused). Removing the stamens shows the abnormal female part which is characteristic of 'Kwanso' and is why it can't produce pods.

The extra stamens
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Stamens removed showing abnormal female part
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