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Aug 4, 2020 5:18 PM CST
California (Zone 10a)
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I have a gray brick wall that I'm sure would look much nicer with some climbing roses. It's a full sun location. So far on my list I have Autumn Sunset and Quicksilver Arborose. I'm looking for fragrant, disease resistant varieties. Do you guys have any recommendations? Thanks!
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Aug 5, 2020 11:12 AM CST
Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
We planted 'Fourth of July' in a similar location in 1994, and it's still putting up lots of bloom and new canes. HOWEVER, it does get some shade.

So, one thing to consider . . . Does it get more morning sun, or more afternoon sun? In California, in really hot weather, afternoon sun can reflect back heat from a wall, and really burn a plant.
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Aug 5, 2020 1:27 PM CST
California (Zone 10a)
Lilies
It gets sun all day except for early morning (at 7) and late afternoon (at 6). The wall is facing north, so it doesn't have much shadow. I'm planning on planting them next to each other so I'll have something that looks like a flowery privacy screen. I have a bougainvillea in another section of the wall, and the plant next to it enjoys shade from 3 pm to sunset, when the shadows are longer. So maybe some of the roses would be shaded if I planted them close together. The sun's path may be a little different in the winter. I could attach a trellis so the plants won't be touching the wall.
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Aug 5, 2020 1:47 PM CST
Port d'Envaux, France (Zone 9a)
A Darwinian gardener
I recommend her all the time - Mme. Alfred Carriere.
But you don't give much detail about the wall; height for example. MAC can be a little bit untidy - but boy does she smell good!
I find myself most amusing.
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Aug 5, 2020 4:21 PM CST
California (Zone 10a)
Lilies
Sorry about the wall! I just measured it. The height is 5 ft 8 in. Below are pictures of the wall.
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Aug 5, 2020 4:48 PM CST
Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
North-facing wall ... that should be fine. My Fourth of July is on a North-facing wall, and it has no problems. Climbers we put against a South-facing wall were burnt to a crisp.
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Aug 5, 2020 5:59 PM CST
California (Zone 10a)
Lilies
Glad to hear it! Anyone else have good roses to share? Sticking tongue out
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Aug 6, 2020 11:28 AM CST
Name: SoCal
Orange County (Zone 10a)
Lazy Gardener or Melonator
I have a wall like that, I got two free Climbing Cecile Brunners, Westerland, Reine des Violettes. So far so good. The only rose not blooming is Alchemist.
I also built and planted wood structure for them to climb, I do not like to put holes in my cement wall, just in case I change my mind on them. I have clematis to climb over too.

Climbing Cecile Brunner
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Rhapsody Clematis

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Aug 6, 2020 1:52 PM CST
California (Zone 10a)
Lilies
Nice pics! I didn't know that climbing roses and clematis are good companion plants! Hmm, I think I'll get some clematis too. Thanks for all the great recommendations everyone! Big Grin
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Aug 6, 2020 2:19 PM CST
Name: SoCal
Orange County (Zone 10a)
Lazy Gardener or Melonator
I notice you are roughly in the same zone as mine, here is another picture of the opposite wall. I have Wedgewood, James Galway, Queen of Sweden, Shropshire Lad, and La France. Most of these roses are thornless, I intend to plant tree peonies in front of these roses to keep them from scratching us.

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Aug 6, 2020 2:46 PM CST
California (Zone 10a)
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Ooh, thornless roses... how cool! Sticking tongue out
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Aug 6, 2020 3:35 PM CST
SW Ohio River Valley (Zone 6b)
MBNuts, how thornless is The Generous Gardener? I've been looking at that rose to order, but would like something lower thorn between New Dawn and Viking Queen. Your backyard is gorgeous!
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Aug 6, 2020 3:46 PM CST
Name: SoCal
Orange County (Zone 10a)
Lazy Gardener or Melonator
Oops, sorry I edited to Shropshire Lad, the Generous Gardener is no longer out there. It's not as thorny, but it has thorns, but everything is hold back by something, tree rose, citrus, eventually it will be tall tree peony.
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Oct 18, 2020 6:03 PM CST

vaporvac said:MBNuts, how thornless is The Generous Gardener? I've been looking at that rose to order, but would like something lower thorn between New Dawn and Viking Queen. Your backyard is gorgeous!


Hello -
I've grown Generous Gardener. It bloomed beautifully right during the first year and It's quite thornless as I recall, but it is a musk rose. So in warm weather, the fragrance - for me - was too overpowering musky. I prefer a sweet or fruity fragrance like Boscobel (which doesn't bloom as well) or Savillana,. So I gave Generous Gardener to my neighbor.
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Oct 19, 2020 7:21 AM CST
Name: David Tillyer
New York City (Zone 7b)
If you're going to put in Clematis, why not add Clematis paniculata (or or terniflora) for fall foliage. I don't remember what fall is like in California, but it's wonderful to see some autumn color. I have no experience with terniflora, but paniculata is dead easy to grow.
David
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