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Name: Louise
East Texas, zones 7b/8a
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louise
Nov 7, 2012 5:40 PM CST
What is the name of this plant? It is a slow grower because
I've had it for seven years. The pot is only an 8" pot. The
edges are wickedly painful. I noticed one or two pups
beginning to form - the first in all these years.

Louise
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Name: Calin
Weston-super-mare UK (Zone 7b)
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fixpix
Nov 8, 2012 2:53 AM CST
I am only familiar with Puya. And this looks a lot like my Puya berteroniana plants.
Name: Hetty
Sunny Naples, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Dutchlady1
Nov 8, 2012 4:20 AM CST
Could it be a Dyckia?
Name: Kristi
east Texas pineywoods (Zone 8a)
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pod
Nov 8, 2012 7:26 AM CST
Yes, I will second Dyckia but am uncertain how to ID which one.
Name: Louise
East Texas, zones 7b/8a
Garden Ideas: Level 1
louise
Nov 8, 2012 8:24 AM CST
After reading all of the suggestions, I think I remember the name
of Dyckia. Hetty may remember the man who lived in Missouri who
was the resident expert (on DG)on these types of plants. We had a
plant trade and this was one that he sent in a box of many kinds.
They were all labelled........at one time....
He sent one that was named 'Painted Fingernails', which may have
beensome kind of bromeliad????I'll insert the picture below and
maybe someone can ID it for me. I now have three of these which
are getting some size on them. How large do they grow to be?
I've have given away a couple of them. Do they ever get a red
center in them to go with the tops?
Louise
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Name: Carole
Clarksville, TN (Zone 6b)
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SongofJoy
Nov 8, 2012 8:29 AM CST
Fingernail Bromeliad ((Neoregelia Spectabilis), I think.

Oops, forgive the capital "S". Neoregalia spectabilis.
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Name: Louise
East Texas, zones 7b/8a
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louise
Nov 8, 2012 8:55 AM CST
Tee, I just tried to enter the fern in the database and I don't think
it was accepted the way I entered it. I only filled in two of the lines
of five because I didn't know the correct words to fit the designation.
Can you give me a link to the article that would describe that in detail?
Louise
Name: Carole
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SongofJoy
Nov 8, 2012 10:12 AM CST
Hi Louise -- It's here:
Painted Fingernail Bromeliad (Neoregelia spectabilis)
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Name: Louise
East Texas, zones 7b/8a
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louise
Nov 8, 2012 11:14 AM CST
Oh, thanks!!!! I saw the 'accepted' beside the entry. I'm
glad you helped me again. I'll keep trying to get the
procedure down perfectly.

Louise
Name: Carole
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SongofJoy
Nov 8, 2012 12:14 PM CST
You will ... it just takes practice. Smiling
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Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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JRsbugs
Nov 8, 2012 3:39 PM CST
It could be Puya venusta, I grew some from seed once and they were looking great but they rotted off at the first sparse watering in spring even though I had them inside!

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/92691/

http://www.plant-world-seeds.com/store/view_seed_item/1131

http://banana.mods.jp/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=227
Name: Louise
East Texas, zones 7b/8a
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louise
Nov 8, 2012 3:54 PM CST
Joan, who lives in Tyler, gave me a baby Puya when we had
a plant swap weekend. That one got so big and mean that
I discarded it.
The man in Missouri sent me an assorted box of many of this
type (back when I didn't save names very well) and I don't
remember that name. That was about 8 or 9 years ago.
I have since learned the value of records as I spent more
time on DG, cubits and ATP.
I've sent several plants in the last three weeks and have
the info on 3x5" cards, but that is not ideal. I must devise
a more orderly way of keeping track of things.

Keeping up with things on ebay was a lot more organized
on the site. I'll get better.

LM
Name: Louise
East Texas, zones 7b/8a
Garden Ideas: Level 1
louise
Nov 8, 2012 4:02 PM CST
JR,
I checked out the sites above. Mine is a lot darker in color
and much more compact that most that I saw. It has only
grown to be about 8-9" tall but cascaded down very closely
and long around the pot in the 8 years I've had it. I don't know
how old it was when I received it. I really hope it stays the
size it is now. It's very decorative and doesn't take up much
space.
Thanks for the sites to compare,
LM
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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JRsbugs
Nov 8, 2012 4:32 PM CST
I noticed how dark green it is Louise, I wondered if you had fed it with Miracle Grow. Hilarious!

There's so many which look similar! Dyckia, Hectia,

Hechtia argentea looks similar, they change colour and are very variable. Young plants usually look quite different to mature ones..

http://www.scientific-web.com/en/Biology/Plants/Magnoliophyt...

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Hechtia+argentea&um=1&ie=UT...

There's a lot of species as well as hybrids.

http://fcbs.org/pictures/Hechtia.htm
Name: Louise
East Texas, zones 7b/8a
Garden Ideas: Level 1
louise
Nov 8, 2012 5:06 PM CST
I know I remember the name 'Dyckia' on part of the plants in
the box I received. I don't know which one. How does it
happen that there are so many which are so similar? Can
just anyone register and name one that they grow ?

I use Peters 20-20-20 professional fertilizer with a mix of
one rounded teaspoon to a gallon of water. I think that
strength has worked well for me on many plants.

LM
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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JRsbugs
Nov 8, 2012 5:52 PM CST
Plants in the same Family can be difficult to separate, usually a genus name has been given by a person who discovered it in the first place and that was likely in the 1800's or earlier. Another person might have found the same plant but thought it was different so gave it a different name only to be found later it's the same as an already named plant, and that's often why there's so many synonyms given. They used to have only physical characters to go by, now there's a lot of DNA testing going on so some plants are separated into a different genus, or put in the same genus when they originally had different genera names. It may well be that some which have a different genus name are actually in the same genus but someone has to get around to proper testing and that doesn't often happen.

There are organisations who get their heads together, such as Kew, MOBOT, Tropicos. look at the organisations on the Plant List. Even so, they don't always agree! Human nature plays a big role.

http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-276709

If someone has developed a new cultivar then they can register it and give it a name, this is usually only done by breeders in the business. Most species have already been found and evaluated, but there is still more species being found in remote areas of places such as Papua New Guinea.

That's a high NPK fertiliser you are using! Potatoes would love it. A high Nitrogen content will give lots of leaf growth, and a good dark green colour, Phosphorus and Potassium are for flower and root development. Some plants wouldn't do well with such high levels but yours seem to like it.
Name: Louise
East Texas, zones 7b/8a
Garden Ideas: Level 1
louise
Nov 8, 2012 7:14 PM CST
WOW! Family, genus, cultivar, species.
Is that the correct order? I have now retrieved and old file box
for my 3x5" cards and don't know if that is sufficient for keeping
plants I have and plants I trade and when payments arrive and
when I ship and when they arrive safely. That's what was nice
on ebay when I bought things there - mostly printed music and
kaleidoscopes (I have some very nice old ones and a spiral image
one from the Smithsonion). I may resort to a ring binder notebook
if the card thing doesn't work out.

I use the Peters about once a month and sometimes dilute it more
for certain plants.

LM
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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JRsbugs
Nov 9, 2012 5:27 AM CST
It's Family, Genus, species (always with a lower case) then subspecies if there is one, variety (var.) or cultivar.

The plant kingdom starts with other classifications, Order comes ahead of Family. Check any plant of Wiki and it will be listed.

Ebay can be a lot of fun! It can also be addictive. Hilarious!
Name: Louise
East Texas, zones 7b/8a
Garden Ideas: Level 1
louise
Nov 9, 2012 9:18 AM CST
JR,
Thanks for this information. I have written it down on one of my 3x5" cards.
Are any of these listed on the same line, or does each have a separate line?
Earlier, I tried to add to the database and just gave up when I didn't know
what or how to do with all the names and which lines.

I had one of those 'light bulb' moments last night after going to bed: I have
Word and Excel on this computer and could use them to catalog the plants
I have (while I'm still learning) and to track my deals with ATP friends. It
would do for me the same thing that the ebay recording keeping did. I was
addicted to ebay and felt I had to check the bidding at least six times (or
more) each day. Then, the postal rates kept going up and up and that
helped put a brake on my bidding. And now, I'm almost that way about
checking traffic and comments on ATP. Since I retired from teaching, I
have way too much time on my hands and ATP is ever-present (thankfully).

LM
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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JRsbugs
Nov 9, 2012 11:30 AM CST
First line is for a common name, the most used one if you can find which that is, other common names can be added later. Genus is on one line, species on the next (including subsp. if there is one) , then cultivar name. The fields for tradename and series name are for those which have a registered tradename, or a series where there's usually more than one cultivar in a series.

http://garden.org/plants/add.php

An example is this Florist's Cineraria where there's several named cultivars in a series, also trademarked. It can be confusing!

Florist's Cineraria (Pericallis SenettiĀ® Blue Bicolor)

I was going to suggest you use Word, I'm glad you thought of it. Make sure you back it up in case you lose it though, computers sometimes crash. Do you have an external hard drive?

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