Lilies forum: long lost id tag

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Name: CODY
Longview, Washington (Zone 8a)
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cwalke
Aug 21, 2020 1:30 PM CST
does anyone recognize this slily?
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Name: Arlene
Southold, Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
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pirl
Aug 21, 2020 1:48 PM CST
Sorry, no idea of the ID. I've had one similar and never got an ID for it.
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Name: Luka
Croatia (Zone 9a)
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Lucius93
Aug 21, 2020 2:06 PM CST
'Robert Swanson', OT hybrid. Both of you. Smiling
Name: Arlene
Southold, Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
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pirl
Aug 21, 2020 5:49 PM CST
Many thanks!
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis, MN, USA zone 4
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Leftwood
Aug 21, 2020 6:30 PM CST
Are they a soft orange and red, or a yellow/yellow-orange and red?
Name: CODY
Longview, Washington (Zone 8a)
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cwalke
Aug 22, 2020 9:44 AM CST
Leftwood said:Are they a soft orange and red, or a yellow/yellow-orange and red?


to my eye they are yellow-orange and red
Name: Arlene
Southold, Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
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pirl
Aug 22, 2020 9:50 AM CST
This may be the best close-up photo I have of it. You can be the judge of the color.
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Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis, MN, USA zone 4
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Leftwood
Aug 22, 2020 1:32 PM CST
I asked because my camera, for some reason, has difficulty picking up the orange in Lilium Pizzazz.. This is the most orangy pic I have of it, and Pizzazz is more orange than that.
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I thought perhaps you might have the same problem with your camera, but i guess not. I think the flower form fits Robert Swanson better, anyway,


kriegsherren
Sep 5, 2020 11:27 AM CST
I have this lily. I got it on a discount years ago, not really intending to breed it. Will have to dig through my emails and see if I can find it. Mine fade quick in hot weather though so this year was the first time I actually saw it in these colours. Think it might be Red Dutch, I believe its an unregistered hybrid from the 1990s. The yellow edges fade fast for me to a white unless I pick the blooms and take them inside away from direct light.
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Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis, MN, USA zone 4
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Leftwood
Sep 5, 2020 1:22 PM CST
I bought a bulb of Red Dutch in spring 2007. This is it in 2009.
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It pooped out a couple years after, and I never say it again.


kriegsherren
Sep 7, 2020 9:19 AM CST
Leftwood said:I bought a bulb of Red Dutch in spring 2007. This is it in 2009.
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It pooped out a couple years after, and I never say it again.



That looks like mine most years, though this year it was much brighter yellow. I had always thought the catalogue from Dutch Gardens, circa the early 2000s, had doctored it up. Turned out it actually can be brightly coloured. I am thinking it had to do with a much cooler than average spring and early summer along with more rain than normal.
Name: Connie
Willamette Valley OR (Zone 8a)
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pardalinum
Sep 7, 2020 11:17 AM CST

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Temperatures can make a difference with Orienpets. One of the earliest OTs, Boogie Woogie, disappointed many people. Catalog photos showed a yellow lily with brilliant pink edges but they didn't tell ya it took cool temperatures to bring the pink out.

I guess this is why I don't like guessing at names for NOID lilies. And many OTs have this similar red-yellow pattern.
Name: Luka
Croatia (Zone 9a)
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Lucius93
Sep 7, 2020 11:50 AM CST
I am sure, without a doubt, that cwalke lily is Robert Swanson. Flower form, color everything fits 100%.
Name: Arlene
Southold, Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
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pirl
Sep 7, 2020 11:52 AM CST
I agree.
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis, MN, USA zone 4
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Leftwood
Sep 7, 2020 2:37 PM CST
Flower form, growth patterns and leaf form are each always more reliable than ferreting out color (of flowers or any part of the plant) or size.

I too, am reluctant o give "100%" names to any NoIDs. And usually, the one who poses the question doesn't give enough information to make an accurate identification, anyway. I suppose it comes with experience. The more you know, the more you know that you don't know. That's why you rarely hear true scientists give blanket statements without qualifications.

I think in learning any subject, a normal person goes through basic stages:
1. I don't know anything
2. I know somethings
3. I know quite a lot
4. I know everything
5. I was wrong, I didn't know everything, and I will never know everything.

Some people can pass through the stages (or certain stages) quickly; others, not so much.
Name: Connie
Willamette Valley OR (Zone 8a)
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pardalinum
Sep 7, 2020 3:05 PM CST

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Good points, Rick. Having spent a career working in science and in part research science I've been through the stages. Stage 5 is a tough one of course.

I purchased Robert Swanson some years back but what bloomed was definitely no Robert Swanson. I will just say it looked a whole lot like Black Beauty but won't say that is what it is.

What would help in this instance would be an invoice. Or even the vendor. I bought my "not" Robert Swanson from Faraway Flowers in 2009 and yeah I still have the invoice. I have not seen it sold anywhere else that I recall.
Name: CODY
Longview, Washington (Zone 8a)
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cwalke
Sep 7, 2020 7:11 PM CST
I have invoices for most of the lilies I've purchased over the years, but haven't ever bought a Robert Swanson. I have, however, purchased Red Dutch some years ago, and it could be that, though it's the only one I have of it. It struggles back every year, puts out a few buds and dies back like other lilies; it's pretty while it lasts Green Grin!
Name: Connie
Willamette Valley OR (Zone 8a)
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pardalinum
Sep 7, 2020 7:31 PM CST

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Well, I don 't think it is Red Dutch; the style is too green. Photos of Red Dutch show the style being reddish or at least darker just below the stigma. Photos of Red Dutch in the database confirm this.

Lily (Lilium 'Red Dutch')
Name: Rick R.
Minneapolis, MN, USA zone 4
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Leftwood
Sep 7, 2020 7:41 PM CST
That's almost funny, Connie!
Say in the last 10 years, I hadn't actively looked for Robert Swanson to buy, but when I came across it being "available", I have ordered it 3 or 4 times. I think a couple times it turned out to be not in stock after all, and I know a couple times the bulb I got turned out not to be Robert Swanson, either.

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