Daylilies forum: Michael Bennett or Jamie Dockery?

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MrsMud
Sep 9, 2020 6:14 AM CST
After weeks of scouring photos and searching websites for a ML purple that I liked, I found Michael Bennett. I love everything about it except for the low bud count!
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I also came across Jamie Dockery, which seems to have similar coloring but a higher bud count.
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I prefer the bloom of MB to the more recurved form of JD. I'm also not sure if JD is more of a reddish purple than MB. I would prefer more of a bluish purple to a reddish one.
Does anyone grow both, or familiar with what they both look like in real life? Can you give me your opinions about one or both? And finally, would you choose higher bud count over your more preferred bloom? Or vice versa?
Thanks for helping me decide!
-Yvonne
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Name: Mike
Hazel Crest, IL (Zone 5b)
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Hazelcrestmikeb
Sep 9, 2020 7:16 AM CST
I don't grow either plant. I would go with the one I like over bud count. Bud count expectations can be very disappointing on some plants if they are not in their ideal setting. I should know. I have several that have disappointed for years. My humble opinion of course.
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Name: Valerie
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touchofsky
Sep 9, 2020 8:03 AM CST
I agree with Mike. I would buy the one that I like.
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Name: Debra
Nashville, TN (Zone 7a)
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shive1
Sep 9, 2020 8:52 AM CST
Yvonne - I don't grow either. But I have online friends who grow them and love them. Where are you located? Purples grown in northern states with lower night temps tend to look more blue purple. Those very same purples grown in my TN climate look reddish purple. Also, photos of purples can be deceiving since most cameras add blue tones to photos. A bud count of 12 would put me off too. I won't buy anything that doesn't have at least a registered bud count of 15. Those bud counts are an average, so that means some scapes of Michael Bennett may have a few more than 12 an others less than 12.

MrsMud
Sep 9, 2020 9:11 AM CST
shive1 said:Yvonne - I don't grow either. But I have online friends who grow them and love them. Where are you located? Purples grown in northern states with lower night temps tend to look more blue purple. Those very same purples grown in my TN climate look reddish purple. Also, photos of purples can be deceiving since most cameras add blue tones to photos. A bud count of 12 would put me off too. I won't buy anything that doesn't have at least a registered bud count of 15. Those bud counts are an average, so that means some scapes of Michael Bennett may have a few more than 12 an others less than 12.


I am located on Long Island, NY, zone 7. This may be a mute point, as the grower where I found both (https://petalpusher.plantfans.... ) just emailed me to say they had sold out of Michael Bennett. I did see it listed on two other sites, but I have to check and see if it is actually available.

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Name: Laura
SE Michigan (Zone 5b)
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twixanddud
Sep 9, 2020 5:45 PM CST
I agree with everything mentioned above by others. I too would buy the one that I liked the looks of over one with a better bud count. The bud count is an average in the hybridizers garden, so you may or may not get a similar budcount depending on your zone and other various factors (soil, sun, rainfall/watering, fertilizer, etc). I know Rice (Jamie Dockery) is in KY, I don't know where Brooker (Michael Bennett) hybridizes.

I love purple and I love watermarks Smiling I have both MB and JD. I wish they were blooming now, so that I could look at the flowers side by side and tell you my thoughts on color. They both are purple in my garden, especially in the morning. Later in the day in full sun, I think they both take on some reddish tones, from memory I would say that JD does a little more than MB. I will say that MB is shorter and sometimes the flowers can be in the foliage a little bit, at least in my garden. I think the flowers of MB are a little bigger than JD's. I had two rebloom scapes on MB this year; I don't recall if it has rebloomed in the past here. I know JD has rebloomed here in the past. The bud count on both was not great this year, but MB was better. Our bad spring weather and late freezes here impacted bud count and branching on many plants - the majority of them actually. My JD needs to be divided, so I'm sure it's not performing at it's best.

A daylily that is a similar form to JD that I would recommend and that is one of my top favorites is Claudine's Charm. It definitely has better bud count and branching here than JD or MB. I have not heard anyone say anything bad about it, I think everyone who has it loves it. Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Claudine's Charm')

The thread "Daylily of the Day: Claudine's Charm" in Past Plants of the Day forum

Michael Bennett
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Jamie Dockery
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Claudine's Charm
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Just my two cents Smiling
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mantisOH
Sep 9, 2020 6:19 PM CST
Jamie Dockery was disappointing here, with short scapes (but not in the foliage) and low bud count. I would choose Another Night in this color range.
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Frillylily
Sep 9, 2020 7:09 PM CST
The thread "Daylily of the Day: Classy Columbus" in Past Plants of the Day forum

I've seen MB here in our local city garden and it blooms down in the foliage- doesn't get as tall here as it is registered. I've seen it 3 years in a row now that way.

MrsMud
Sep 9, 2020 7:34 PM CST
Thank you everyone for your advice and suggestions! I need to get a Daylily in the ground soon, so I am limited to what I can find right now. I may have to forget about a purple for now 🤪
Thanks again!
Name: Marcia
Rochester, ny, zone 6 (Zone 6b)
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DaylilyDazzled
Sep 13, 2020 8:03 PM CST
I got MB from Marmalahlee on the LA this spring if that helps.
Name: Nancy
Bowling Green Kentucky (Zone 6b)
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alilyfan
Sep 13, 2020 8:23 PM CST
In the classifieds here Twixanddud has Michael Bennett, I think for $10

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