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shomel6
Sep 13, 2020 11:52 AM CST
Hello!

I'm a first-time gardener and still learning everything. I grew some kale this summer and this plant started growing as well. They really started springing up after the first kale harvest. It smells a bit minty and the lower part of the stem is dark red. Is it a weed? If so, anyone know the name?

Thank you!!
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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Sep 13, 2020 12:08 PM CST
Its Pigweed - you don't want it.
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plantladylin
Sep 13, 2020 12:39 PM CST
Hi shomel6, Welcome!

I agree, that looks like a type of Pigweed. Here's one in our database for comparison: Redroot Pigweed (Amaranthus retroflexus)

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pitimpinai
Sep 13, 2020 12:44 PM CST
I agree It's Pigweed. FYI: it is edible. Young, tender pigweed is really nutritious.
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shomel6
Sep 13, 2020 2:01 PM CST
Thank you, everyone! And for the welcome! I read up on pigweed and if it's callaloo, a vegetable I know from Jamaica, then it's indeed delicious and nutritious. That would be an unexpected and pleasant surprise to have fresh callaloo on hand.

Thanks, again, and have a great rest of your day!
Name: stone
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stone
Sep 14, 2020 1:14 PM CST
DaisyI said:Its Pigweed - you don't want it.


I wish people would refrain from making these kind of judgements...
How difficult would it be to google the plant in question and find out whether there are redeeming qualities?

I encourage amaranth at my house... Yes it's edible, and, it also works very nice as a trap crop for cucumber beetles... and... the chickens love amaranth and, they don't mind if the leaves aren't young and tender.

There are garden varieties that people grow for the seed as well as the leaf...

Just because you aren't growing something at your house, doesn't mean that nobody else has a use for said plant...

Glad to learn that @shomel6 has experience with the plant as a vegetable...



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plantladylin
Sep 14, 2020 1:40 PM CST
Amaranthus retroflexus can be difficult to eradicate once it becomes established. I couldn't find it listed as invasive in N.J. but it is considered invasive in some parts of the U.S., so care should be taken when considering growing it.

For comparison, more photos of Amaranthus retroflexus can be found on this page and there's also a map showing distribution in the U.S.: https://www.invasiveplantatlas...
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DaisyI
Sep 14, 2020 3:10 PM CST
stone said:

I wish people would refrain from making these kind of judgements...
How difficult would it be to google the plant in question and find out whether there are redeeming qualities?

I encourage amaranth at my house... Yes it's edible, and, it also works very nice as a trap crop for cucumber beetles... and... the chickens love amaranth and, they don't mind if the leaves aren't young and tender.

There are garden varieties that people grow for the seed as well as the leaf...

Just because you aren't growing something at your house, doesn't mean that nobody else has a use for said plant...

Glad to learn that @shomel6 has experience with the plant as a vegetable...



Whoa! Guess I pushed Stone's button on that one.

Hmmm.. Invasive at my house, don't have cucumber beetles, don't have chickens, still don't have a compost pile. I also don't eat purslane, nettles, thistles, prickly lettuce...

I don't have time to Google everything but I will let Stone do that for me from now on. Smiling
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Name: stone
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stone
Sep 16, 2020 12:02 PM CST
Whether you google or not... is less the issue... than the automatic assumption that no one else could possibly value a plant that you consider a weed.

When I offer an identification, I try to mention both positive as well as negative, and leave it up to the OP to decide if they have a keeper or not.

We've had this discussion a few times... God didn't make weeds...

Most of these plants have value and desirability.

Some plants can grow a little too successfully for the location. Most of which are easily controlled with a shovel, mattock or hoe... or just a tug.

As far as invasiveness?
https://ourworld.unu.edu/en/re...

I do pull the spiny amaranth and toss on the burn pile... A limping chicken is something I prefer to avoid.
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DaisyI
Sep 16, 2020 12:55 PM CST
There are two sides to this: I stated mine (its a weed, pull it) and you have stated yours in way too many words to summarize. Now we can drop it.
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Paul2032
Sep 16, 2020 1:28 PM CST
I will be pulling it. Purslane is considered a delicacy by some. Don't want it in my garden. I feed some dandelion leaves to my canaries but it is not on my menu. We ate the little seed pods on mallow when I was a kid. Might taste them again.
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shomel6
Sep 16, 2020 10:49 PM CST
Thanks for the perspectives and information. I'm growing in containers so I don't have to worry about it getting out of control. I've been looking into this to see if pigweed is the same as the vegetable I'm used to. It seems that regardless, it's edible and known by a few different names, depending on the part of the world. There are a number of different species and recipes. If anyone's interested in giving a traditional Jamaican dish a try, you can look up callaloo and salt fish (aka cod or bacalao). I can't post links because I'm a newbie. Smiling

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stone
Sep 19, 2020 7:10 AM CST
While you can't post a link yet, I'd enjoy reading how you cook with amaranth.

As good for us as the link that I posted claimed... If I had a recipe to follow from someone that had experience cooking and eating it... I'd certainly give it a shot...

As much as the chickens relish amaranth... must be good!
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shomel6
Sep 19, 2020 4:43 PM CST
Different cultures prepare callaloo different ways, but we essentially season it and cook it covered for about ten or so minutes until everything is soft. Pretty much like collard greens. The important thing to remember is to peel the bigger, tougher stems before chopping and cooking them. Some seasonings are optional, but the basics are onions, peppers, thyme, scallions, garlic, and a small amount of Scotch Bonnet pepper (very hot!). The thing about Scotch Bonnet pepper is that you can put in it a dish whole for the flavor, but if the pepper bursts, it can ruin the meal, so if you're not used to it, just start with a small piece.

A staple Jamaican dish is salt fish and callaloo (some would know salt fish as salted cod or bacalao), but callaloo can be prepared with other things like shrimp or just by itself.

This article on pridenews.ca has some good info on callaloo and the dish. Google:
pride news nutritious jamaican saltfish recipe

On YouTube, search:
How To Prepare Jamaican Callaloo For Cooking - Chris De La Rosa | FoodFAQ

Jamaican style Callaloo and Saltfish | Recipe for cooking callaloo the Jamaican way | Jerene's Eats

You'll see that Chris added a half cup of water, but then had excess water at the end that he had to cook out. Better to start with just a bit of water, if needed, as Jerene suggests, but it's all up to your preference.

Enjoy your day!
Name: stone
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stone
Sep 21, 2020 11:22 AM CST
shomel6 said:Different cultures prepare callaloo different ways, but we essentially season it and cook it covered for about ten or so minutes until everything is soft.

Pretty much like collard greens. The important thing to remember is to peel the bigger, tougher stems before chopping and cooking them.

Some seasonings are optional, but the basics are onions, peppers, thyme, scallions, garlic, and a small amount of Scotch Bonnet pepper (very hot!).


Thank you...

I was asking about how you specifically cooked with amaranth.

I know how to use google to find recipes, but finding a recipe really isn't the same as finding someone that actually cooks with amaranth...

Sadly, people post recipes without commentary, and I can't tell if they are just repeating something they heard / read somewhere but have no personal experience with...

I might have to tell you how I cook sweet potato leaves...
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DaisyI
Sep 21, 2020 11:55 AM CST
stone said:
I was asking about how you specifically cooked with amaranth.


I think that is the recipe.
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Name: stone
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stone
Sep 21, 2020 12:12 PM CST
DaisyI said:

I think that is the recipe.


Who rattled your cage?

You'll notice that I quoted the part that specifically related to my question....

RE:
following you around the forum and checking google for you...

Your posts aren't my responsibility, it's up you to take responsibility for them. If you really feel like it's up to the rest of us to follow you around correcting your posts... I'd imagine that you could be placed in a category of having your posts go in a queue... to be moderated one by one...

As far as opinions go, there a very easy way to show that we are expressing an opinion in just a few keystrokes...

For example...

"It's a weed!
Pull it"

Is a blanket statement suggesting a certain amount of authority... And inaccurate... as a visit to the link I posted will clearly show.

"it's a weed IMO, I pull them at my house."

Becomes an opinion, and is even accurate.



Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Sep 22, 2020 10:44 AM CST
NGA is crowd sourced. That means all voices come in at equal volume with equal authority. We can discuss the pros and cons of any question, civilly, without name calling, harassment or accusations. Ultimately, its up to the OP to sort it all out. Our only job is to show all sides of the coin in a civil manner.

In this case, Shome16 agrees with Stone - Pigweed is edible and delicious. I don't have a problem with that but, I also don't agree and that's my right. Its Stone's right to disagree. Its my right to stay in the conversation. And its the right of any other member of NGA to add to the conversation without feeling they will be harassed for disagreeing with anyone in the conversation.

Suggesting Shome16 had given Stone the recipe shouldn't have set off the fireworks it did. I understand how old recipes work, there are no measurements or even a definitive set of ingredients. That's all I was pointing out.
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