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Name: Chenny
Queens, New York (Zone 7a)
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zhengcl86
Sep 14, 2020 9:01 AM CST
This is a store brought basil that I planted outside during the spring. It's been growing big and lush all spring/summer and just recently the leaves are getting brown spots and turning yellow. It gets full sun from 1 - 5ish

I water once every morning. Sometimes at night also if it's a hot sunny day.

Is it because of the temperature drop?
Is it getting to much water?

I'm in Zone 7a


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Name: Cinda
Indiana Zone 5b
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gardengus
Sep 17, 2020 8:02 AM CST
Basil don't like cool weather , may be that , everyday water seems like a lot but maybe you are hotter there Shrug!

I think the plant is getting old sometimes they drop lower leaves when starting to shoot up flower spike .
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Name: Zoë
Albuquerque NM, Elev 5310 ft (Zone 7b)
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NMoasis
Sep 18, 2020 5:24 PM CST
Those brown marks do suggest temperature. If it has dropped even one night below about 50 degrees, especially with wind, they'll react that way. Looks like that possibly happened maybe 7-10 days ago or so? The new growth looks quite healthy. For the rest of the season (not much time left, unfortunately) see if you can give it some more sun, preferably in the morning. Reduce the watering, too, as the days get cooler.
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Name: Chenny
Queens, New York (Zone 7a)
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zhengcl86
Sep 18, 2020 8:02 PM CST
Can basil survive winter outdoors? Or should I save a few stems and move them indoors til next Spring.
Name: Cinda
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gardengus
Sep 18, 2020 8:18 PM CST
No they wont winter over,They are one of the first plants to get frosted to death
It is usually easier to start new basil from seed in the spring than to try to keep indoors unless you have grow lights or a very bright south window.
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Name: Zoë
Albuquerque NM, Elev 5310 ft (Zone 7b)
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NMoasis
Sep 18, 2020 8:47 PM CST
I agree . Some people do (try to) grow basil indoor during the winter, usually with poor results without grow lights. Basil is an annual: it germinates, grows, flowers, seeds and dies in one year. Before it gets to 45-50 degrees at night, you can clip several stalks and put them in water and they'll stay fresh for maybe two weeks for culinary use.
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Name: Chenny
Queens, New York (Zone 7a)
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zhengcl86
Sep 19, 2020 11:16 AM CST
I do have a full spectrum grow light indoors on my propagation station. I will try that.

Will this apply to rosemary also?
Name: Zoë
Albuquerque NM, Elev 5310 ft (Zone 7b)
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NMoasis
Sep 19, 2020 11:55 AM CST
That's doable. I've only once wintered a potted rosemary indoors and by spring it wasn't very happy, but it did survive in a sunny spot without grow lights. Rosemary is happiest outdoors in full sun and lean, dry-ish soil, but It's a pretty tough plant. The biggest threat to its health is over-watering. I've never used lights. Hopefully someone can jump in here who has done it.
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Name: Kat
Magnolia, Tx (Zone 9a)
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kittriana
Sep 19, 2020 9:19 PM CST
Rosemary freezes up north, Arp is the most cold hardy in zones 6 thru 10. I hear it will survive a 30* freeze but not for extended time. Indoors keep the rosemary temps in 55* to 80*F ranges. It will need a minimum of 11 hrs of light indoors- 12 preferable. Basil, well I grow African Blue to survive my heat, but 32* takes it out. Usually you harvest and dry before frost bites it. The African Blue basil doesn't have seeds so we do nurture cuttings thru the winter that occasionally make it in warmer winters. Not sure about other basils, I don't fight the natural life of the plants and most don't like indoors- if you do try to keep your basil thru the winter, invest in a pot that is 18" deep and drains well- they have long taproots and don't like their feet to stay wet.
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Name: Zoë
Albuquerque NM, Elev 5310 ft (Zone 7b)
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NMoasis
Sep 19, 2020 9:40 PM CST
My 5'x6' Arp thrives in sustained temps below 30 degrees most years. It blooms in the snow. A potted rosemary needs protection.

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Name: Kat
Magnolia, Tx (Zone 9a)
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kittriana
Sep 20, 2020 10:53 AM CST
Do you have it protected from wind on any side Zoe? Oh and snow doesn't hurt as many plants as ice or wind.
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Name: Zoë
Albuquerque NM, Elev 5310 ft (Zone 7b)
Region: New Mexico Herbs Salvias Composter Bee Lover Container Gardener
Bookworm Cat Lover Enjoys or suffers hot summers
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NMoasis
Sep 20, 2020 12:53 PM CST
She is protected on the west and somewhat less so to the north. She was a 3" hardware (possibly grocery) store purchase 8+ years ago when I planted her in unamended sandy soil, not realizing how big she'd get—I identified her as Arp several years later. I've cut her back several times since then, some years quite radically, and she keeps growing and blooming like crazy with virtually no help from me. I give her deep soakings when I think about it, throw on some compost once a year or so, and have always kept her mulched, mostly with dead grass and leaves. The winters have become somewhat milder since I first moved to New Mexico. For the first 5 years or so, we could rely on at least 2 to 4 weeks at least of temps dipping into the teens and many below freezing, because I remember shaded soil being solidly frozen into early spring. And coffee inside my car in an insulted cup freezing during the days. Haven't had that for the last 2 or 3 years.

Anyway, more than you probably wanted to know! Whistling The rosemary I overwintered indoors one year was a prostrate variety in a pot. I'd lost some potted hardy lavenders and salvias the year before to freezing, so I didn't want to chance it.
For me, gardening is really just an excuse for playing in the dirt. Admittedly, plants are a satisfying by-product.
Name: Kat
Magnolia, Tx (Zone 9a)
Region: Texas Container Gardener Herbs Moon Gardener Enjoys or suffers hot summers Heirlooms
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kittriana
Sep 20, 2020 3:23 PM CST
Mine live outside all year, I have prostate and Tuscan Blue...neglected them this year except to pour 2 or 3 gallons water every 2 weeks or less into the 19" hi/19" wide pot they are in. I am hoping to get enough rain this week to accomplish some waiting chores I have around the yard.
Yes, grow lights for indoor plants, I have some spot lamps I put on tender plants- one is blue &red LED lights on a timer, the other is also a clamp lamp but full spectrum and both are on timers. I love them.
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