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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Nov 29, 2012 7:37 PM CST
I hate to cause more work for the moderator's but I found two listings in the database for Philodendron 'Brasil'. The correct listing is Philodendron hederaceum 'Brasil'. At least I remember a discussion on a forum a couple of years ago where Aroid expert, the late Steve Lucas commented that 'Brasil'/'Brazil' was a cultivar of Philodendron hederaceum.

Can one of the database moderators move the info and photo's from this entry: Philodendron (Philodendron hederaceum var. oxycardium 'Brasil')

to this location, which is the correct entry for the plant:

Thanks so much! Lovey dubby

edited to add: I just went to the Exotic Rainforest website (the site owned by the late Steve Lucas) and it states that the name Brasil has never been registered with the International Aroid Society so the name Brasil should not have the 'quote' marks: http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Philodendron%20hederaceum%20...
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Nov 29, 2012 7:41 PM CST

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Sure, Lin. I'll do that.
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plantladylin
Nov 29, 2012 7:45 PM CST
zuzu: Thanks so much ... I just edited my above post; can you remove the 'quote' marks from the word Brasil since it's not a legally registered cultivar?
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Nov 29, 2012 8:01 PM CST

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First of all, Lin, I did the opposite of what you had suggested and moved the photos from the Brazil entry to the Brasil entry, which had more photos, a comment, and plant info. Now, what should we do about the name? You're right that Brasil is not a registered cultivar name, but neither is Brazil. It isn't a species name, however, so I'm not sure how it should be listed other than as a cultivar. I've left it as 'Brasil,' because that brings up more Google hits than Philodendron 'Brazil,' but I've added 'Brazil' as an "also-sold-as" name.

I edited your comment on the plant, by the way, because P. oxycardium is a synonym of Philodendron hederaceum var. oxycardium, not of P. hederaceum.
Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Nov 29, 2012 9:13 PM CST
Zuzu: Thanks so much for the help, and for editing/correcting my comment in the database for P. Brasil. I get really confused when it comes to some of these plants! I was just reading again at the Exotic Rainforest website and copied and pasted the following:
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Philodendron hederaceum (Jacq.) Schott (1829)

Synoynms:
Arum hederaceum (1760), Philodendron scandens (1853), Philodendron prieurianum (1853)
Philodendron micans (1854), Philodendron cuspidatum, (1854), Philodendron microphyllum (1854),
Philodendron oxycardium (1856), Philodendron oxyprorum (1856), Philodendron hoffmannii (1858),
Philodendron acrocardium (1858), Philodendron pittieri (1899), Philodendron harlowii (1949), Philodendron miduhoi (1950),



Common Names:
Heart Leaf Philodendron, Velvet Philodendron, Velvet Leaf Philodendron, Heart Philodendron, Sweetheart Plant, Philodendron Brazil, Philodendron Brasil, Velour Philodendron, and apparently the "Blushing Philodendron".
In most papers the "Blushing Philodendron" refers to Philodendron erubescens.

Philodendron Brasil is only a natural cultivar of Philodendron hederaceum
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In one place it said Brasil was not a legal registered cultivar and yet in another place it says that it's a natural cultivar??!%

So, if the genus is Philodendron and species hederaceum shouldn't there just be one listing for Philodendron hederaceum in the database with the common names: Brasil, Brazil, Heart Leaf, Velvet Leaf.

And since P. oxycardium is a synonym for P. hederaceum shouldn't that one be moved over too? I really don't know how Brasil should be listed in the ATP database. If it's not a registered cultivar maybe it can be listed under Philodendron hederaceum and in the "Comments" section one can say "Also Sold As" or "Variety Sold As" Philodendron Brasil?


I also think I might have been the one who did the original entry for Velvet Leaf Philodendron, P. hederaceum here too: http://garden.org/plants/search/text.php?q=Philodendron+hede... which probably should be lumped with other Philodendron hederaceum's??




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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Nov 29, 2012 9:33 PM CST

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The way they're listed now is the correct way, I think. There's P. hederaceum, P. hederaceum var. hederaceum, P. hederaceum var. oxycardium, and P. hederaceum 'Brasil.' They're four separate entries.

As I said in my previous post. P. oxycardium is not a synonym of P. hederaceum. It's a synonym of P. hederaceum var. oxycardium and is listed as such in the P. hederaceum var. oxycardium entry.

If Brasil were a natural cultivar of P. hederaceum, it probably would be called something like P. hederaceum f. brasil, but there's no record of anything by that name. Our system doesn't distinguish between registered and natural cultivars, so I'm treating it as a cultivar because that's how it's listed all over the Web.

No, I don't think Brasil or Brazil should be added as a common name to the P. hederaceum entry because I don't think every P. hederaceum is the same as Brasil.
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eclayne
Nov 29, 2012 9:45 PM CST

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Zuzu, I think you're spot on re: 'Brasil'. This plant was published in PLANTAS ORNAMENTAIS NO BRASIL as P. hederaceum 'Brasil'.
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Nov 29, 2012 10:30 PM CST

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Thanks, Evan. Smiling

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