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Name: Hecman
Los Angeles, California
Hecman
Oct 12, 2020 7:25 AM CST
I have been purchasing 6-pak Vincas, Petunias and Mums from Home Depot. I am not having much luck with moving these little guys over to a larger planters. The planters are 24 x 6 inch and I will plant 4 in each one. Within the first week at least 1/2 will begin to shrivel and die. The flowers will thrive in their nursery paks but fail once I move them. I am looking for the proper manner to move these little plants.

Thank you

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BigBill
Oct 12, 2020 8:11 AM CST
Chances are you aren't watering them correctly.
Next I would look into the soil type used.
I have honestly planted several hundreds, if not thousands of seedlings from cell pacs and lost very few over my 58 years of growing annuals and vegetables. Sometimes you just get a bad seedling, it can't be helped.
I use Miracle Grow potting soil, not moisture retentive, and I have never mulched these plants.
Images might help some one pinpoint your issue but on a first thought basis, that is my opinion.
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Name: Hecman
Los Angeles, California
Hecman
Oct 12, 2020 10:09 AM CST
BigBill...thanks for your quick reply. I have learned a few things over the last couple of years after starting this "retirement" hobby except for watering.
I can be my own worst enemy and have lost my share of plants. I am learning the hard way but I am improving.

My process today is I move the plant over to an individual small planter I.E ...Red Solo Cup with holes...and lightly water...they do quite well.

The process for the larger planter is the same but keep watering targeted to root portion of the plant and not watering the rest of planter.

Would you please elaborate on how to water?

Your time is appreciated
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BigBill
Oct 12, 2020 10:32 AM CST
Well I never let them go dry. I typically water little transplants like this every other day.
I generally purchase things in late April to get started and only hold back on tomatoes. They should go in warm. This past spring, we had light snow and 26 degrees at night the first ten days or so in May. My previous two Mays, I had everything in by Mother's Day.
But you don't want them watered like they are in a swamp but with that potting soil and watering every other day, they seem to thrive. The bulk of my plants go in before June 1st.
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Name: Hecman
Los Angeles, California
Hecman
Oct 12, 2020 10:42 AM CST
BigBill..thanks again. I live in the Los Angeles area where the climate is fairly pleasant with the exception of our latest days of 90+ heat . My plants are outdoors with morning sun with shade in early afternoon. I will keep on sowing and growing keeping your suggestions handy.

Thank You!
Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Oct 12, 2020 10:43 AM CST
Hecman said:
The process for the larger planter is the same but keep watering targeted to root portion of the plant and not watering the rest of planter.


Water ALL the soil. Roots won't venture into dry soil.

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BigBill
Oct 12, 2020 10:59 AM CST
You're welcome hecman!!
Good growing ahead!!
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Name: Hecman
Los Angeles, California
Hecman
Oct 12, 2020 2:41 PM CST
Thanks Daisy for your input....See....still learning ….filling up water pots now.

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LorettaNJ
Oct 12, 2020 3:28 PM CST
What do the plants look like? Are they root bound? Are the tops overgrown?
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plantladylin
Oct 12, 2020 4:16 PM CST
How wide and deep is the pot that you are moving the little plantlets to?
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Name: Hecman
Los Angeles, California
Hecman
Oct 12, 2020 4:21 PM CST
Hi LorettaNJ....I will be planting a new batch soon, I will make a couple of changes to my watering technique and hopefully with positive results. If not then I will be back with pictures again asking for input.

Thanks for your interest.


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Name: John
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Oct 12, 2020 6:21 PM CST
I have more problems with damping off with plants from HD than anywhere else. Vinca, petunias, pansies and violas are the most susceptible. Monterey Garden Phos works real well as a preventative (Armstrong Garden Centers carries it). Once they start to wilt from it, rescuing them is difficult. I agree with Daisy that a thorough soak at planting is best. Then wait for the soil to dry some before watering again.
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Name: Hecman
Los Angeles, California
Hecman
Oct 12, 2020 9:03 PM CST
i've added photos..these are all Vincas purchased from Home Depot in the Nursery 6-Pak...any thoughts are appreciated
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Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Oct 13, 2020 6:21 PM CST
When you stick your finger in the soil by the rootball, is it wet or dry? Are the plants rootbound when you take them out of the 6-paks?
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Name: Hecman
Los Angeles, California
Hecman
Oct 13, 2020 7:27 PM CST
Daisy..

Thanks for reaching out...yes the soil is damp and the purchased paks are root bound.

Hecman
Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Oct 13, 2020 8:05 PM CST
This might sound a little ruthless but when I buy rootbound nursery paks, I either split the rootball in half (rip from the bottom about half way up) or rip the very bottom off (sometimes both). Then I place the split, bottomless rootball over a little mound of soil in the planting hole so the new soil is in the middle of the rootball.

Sometimes, the roots can't find their way out of the congested mess of roots in the tiny box so splitting and ripping is the kindness thing you can do to save them.
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LorettaNJ
Oct 13, 2020 8:37 PM CST
Ditto what Daisy said. Opening the root ball up allows water to get inside. Also, if the root ball is dry, you can soak them in water before planting. You can also soak the pot in water until the soil is damp thru and thru. Then make sure you take it out and let it drain. The roots will rot otherwise.
Your basket plant looks like it is going to lose a few stems. That happens when you get plants that are densely planted and shoved up next to each other on the shelves. There are probably a few plants in that basket to make it look full faster. Sometimes in these plants the stem loss continues a bit. Not your fault.
One more thing. These plants are used to be watered everyday at least from the nursery they originally came from. Home Depot may or may not do that. You might have to keep up that schedule until your plants settle in and the roots start growing into your potting soil.
That one wilted plant in the center of the last picture is not your fault.
I wouldn't fertilize until they settle in a bit and I would use 1/4 strength on the small ones. They might burn at this point. Wait until they start taking off.
The plants in the first two pictures are going to take some time I think. They look weak and might have to grow back from the emerging leaves at the nodes. They are maybe too small for that pot yet. Were they root bound? It may have been better to transition them using 4" pots.
Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Oct 13, 2020 9:23 PM CST
I'm not sure why you need to transition the plants to somethng between the nursery pak and the final pot. Just plant them. Planting close is why nurseries can sell you amazingly full pots for big bucks. Partially fill your big pot with soil, pull the plants out of the pak cells and split the rootball, plant them side by side, fill in between and water. Its not that difficult. Really!

All the plants you have mentioned are perennial so it should be plant once and be done. Except for water. In a few months, you will have to fertilize to keep them going. Mix it at half or less strength.
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and proclaiming...."WOW What a Ride!!" -Mark Frost

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Northern NJ (Zone 6b)
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LorettaNJ
Oct 13, 2020 11:03 PM CST
All those plants are annuals here.
I see Hecman, you did already downsize to the solo cups. Sorry I missed that comment. Let us know how the new batch does. Honestly, that is what I would do and I would go to another nursery. You must have some really nice ones in LA.
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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DaisyI
Oct 13, 2020 11:32 PM CST
LorettaNJ said:All those plants are annuals here.


It doesn't matter what they are considered where you live because hecman lives in LA.



Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and proclaiming...."WOW What a Ride!!" -Mark Frost

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