Plant ID forum→Plant with neon stems and a spindle tree?

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Name: Alex
Rockford, Illinois (Zone 5b)
RookiePresent
Oct 17, 2020 8:08 PM CST
I know this is a spindle tree of some kind, probably European spindle (Euonymus europaeus) but when trying to look up how to grow its seeds, I saw other varieties and I just want to make sure I have the right one so I can best handle the seeds I collected (I know they're toxic, I was careful).


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This other plant, I assume it's a shrub, I see all over the place and it will drop its leaves but leave the petiole and they're an interesting bright green color and I am curious as to what it could be.




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Perthshire. SCOTLAND. UK
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Silversurfer
Oct 18, 2020 3:30 AM CST
1. The seed pods are in 4 compartments ..I would say it is Euonymus hamiltonianus..or one of the named ones in this sp. Pics below show E. H Coral Charm.
You will be fine handling the seeds..wash hands after.
Just don't eat them!
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2. I believe is Ptelea trifoliata..try looking for seed capsules..see pics below.
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Name: Alex
Rockford, Illinois (Zone 5b)
RookiePresent
Oct 18, 2020 9:14 AM CST
Silversurfer said:1. The seed pods are in 4 compartments ..I would say it is Euonymus hamiltonianus..or one of the named ones in this sp. Pics below show E. H Coral Charm.
You will be fine handling the seeds..wash hands after.
Just don't eat them!
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2. I believe is Ptelea trifoliata..try looking for seed capsules..see pics below.
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I think those are spot on! I also found this quote about how to distinguish the sp. from this site
http://nativeplantgirl.blogspo...

"[...] the best native vs invasive euonymus ID advice I've found is on page 123 of "Growing Trees from Seed - A Practical Guide to Growing Native Trees, Vines and Shrubs" by Henry Kock with Paul Aird, John Ambrose and Gerald Waldron:

European spindle tree E. europaea [exotic]: the identification of this close relative of E. atropurpurea can only be made with certainty at flowering time. The European species has greenish white flowers in late May as compared to the maroon flowers (in June) of the native wahoo. The European spindle tree holds its leaves much longer into the fall, and the twigs tend to be thicker and more rigid than wahoo. However, due to variability in both species, the two are occasionally so similar vegetatively (including the root sprouting) that without knowledge of the flowers, the nearly identical fruit should be left alone – or the flower colour should be verified in late May."

Which I can't use to confirm anything, but at least I feel like I can follow seed growing advice for pretty much any species and they're so close it shouldn't matter too much, but I like the E. Hamiltonianus ID because it says it's the most common.

This site says that E. hamiltonianus is a variety of the spindle tree, E. europaeus var. hamiltonianus
https://treesandshrubsonline.o...

Page 36 of this site: https://www.dendrology.org/pub...
does a great job of laying it all out, and E. europaeus and E. hamiltonianus are seperate species, with the seed pods from E. hamiltonianus being an exact match with square pods with 4 chambers.

I'm going to use this seeed care guide to grow my seeds then:
https://sheffields.com/seeds-f...

I wish I had found all this information when I was researching it last night.


Thank you for the help!
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Silversurfer
Oct 18, 2020 10:01 AM CST
Glad to help.

What about the Ptelea did you check for seeds?

Amazing link you added..thanks.
https://www.dendrology.org/pub...

I love Euonymus. In old garden had many different sp.
My favourite is still...Euonymus cornutus quinquecornutus.
Seed capsules are fabulous.
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Name: Lin Vosbury
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plantladylin
Oct 18, 2020 10:10 AM CST
Here are our database entries for your plants:

#1 Hamilton's Spindle Tree (Euonymus hamiltonianus)

More photos and information on these pages:
https://sagebud.com/hamiltons-...
https://plants.alsipnursery.co...

#2 Wafer Ash (Ptelea trifoliata)

More photos and information on these pages:
https://www.illinoiswildflower...
https://illinoisbotanizer.com/...
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Name: Alex
Rockford, Illinois (Zone 5b)
RookiePresent
Oct 18, 2020 8:02 PM CST
Silversurfer said:Glad to help.

What about the Ptelea did you check for seeds?

Amazing link you added..thanks.
https://www.dendrology.org/pub...

I love Euonymus. In old garden had many different sp.
My favourite is still...Euonymus cornutus quinquecornutus.
Seed capsules are fabulous.
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I will check for seeds if I go back to that park, but instead I looked at a picture I took several months ago that had leaves and seeds and it was all a match. The one with the leaves missing didn't have any samaras still attached. This is the picture I used:

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Wow, those capsules are really something!


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Name: Alex
Rockford, Illinois (Zone 5b)
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Oct 19, 2020 4:05 PM CST
Interestingly, as I was looking up another tree in my guide "Field Guide to Trees," I found an entry for Euonymus. However, there is only one species listed, for Eastern Burning bush, and the images look exactly like what I found in person. However, the latin name listed is Euonymus atropurpureus.

From this source (https://www.dendrology.org/pub...), we can see that that species (eastern burning bush) is listed there, but its seed pods look nothing like it (4 lobes with more of a star shape and less sqaure/boxy) (page 37, fig. 10). The Euonymus atropurpureus parts in my guide book match E. Hamiltonus, but it's listed as E. atropurpureus on that document.

I don't know what to make of it, I'm just commenting to point out this discrepancy.
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

Region: United States of America Deer Region: Florida Charter ATP Member Million Pollinator Garden Challenge I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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plantladylin
Oct 19, 2020 4:28 PM CST
Here's our database entry for Eastern Wahoo (Euonymus atropurpureus)
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