African Violets and Gesneriads forum→Help! Sad droopy African Violet

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Edmonton, Alberta (Zone 3b)
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Tatille
Oct 20, 2020 6:32 PM CST
I can't find a later image, but this was how it looked like about 7 months ago. The leaves were discoloured due to potential sunburn, and since then I moved it away from sunlight, and the new leaves were green again, with the discoloured ones stop to grow and gradually dying off. I thought this was natural.

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About 2 months ago, I repotted it 2 times (I know, I just couldn't break apart the soil the first time and I returned to break it up more a few days later). I got it into fresh and well-drained soil, and hoped that it would help it grow better.
It must have caused a lot of stress because after one or two days of this repotting, my plant became droopy. I understood that it's stressed so I left it alone to indirect light/artificial light and kept the soil moist.

Still, the leaves kept dying off, and the droopy leaves never turned normal. Even the new growth came out droopy.
It's been 2 months, and now my sad African violet looks like this:

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I am extremely sad and can't figure out what to do to make it happier :(
Is it normal that it's still stressed out from the repotting after 2 months?
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Name: Joseph
Delaware USA (Zone 7a)
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Gerris2
Oct 20, 2020 8:23 PM CST
Is the soil very wet?
Edmonton, Alberta (Zone 3b)
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Tatille
Oct 20, 2020 8:49 PM CST
Gerris2 said:Is the soil very wet?


No no, definitely not. The humidity here is around 60+ so soil dries relatively slow, I watered once every few weeks when it gets dry, which takes a while. Then I leave it alone.
Name: Joseph
Delaware USA (Zone 7a)
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Gerris2
Oct 20, 2020 9:15 PM CST
It's sad to watch them melt. Could it be suffering from an infection, I wonder?
Edmonton, Alberta (Zone 3b)
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Tatille
Oct 20, 2020 10:09 PM CST
Gerris2 said:It's sad to watch them melt. Could it be suffering from an infection, I wonder?


It is very sad, especially given the attachment I've developed with this plant...

It could be an infection, but I'm not too sure how to diagnose one, nor have any idea how it would come to be. Especially given that the soil is fresh.
The leaves appear normal and green, just curled and drooped. The only potential sign would be the lower outer rim of leaves seem to die a bit too fast. There are so few leaves because leaves die off faster than they emerge.

In addition, I noticed very faint browning on one or two leaves, but not the others. I don't know if that could mean something?


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Name: Luda
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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mishkab
Nov 4, 2020 2:02 AM CST
If your violet still alive take it out of the soil check for any fungal spots or bugs. Clean everything. Cut leaves with brown spots. If roots still exist ( I doubt) put it in a good new soil in a very small pot (yougurt cup with holes) and cover with a plastic bag. Let it be that way until you see new growth. Soil of AV should be constantly moist (not wet). If you water once a month or so your AV getting too dry and some roots die. You can not see it right away as the leaves still look good. You can try to root some outer leaves (just in case). If no brown spots they still can produce roots and babies.
Edmonton, Alberta (Zone 3b)
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Tatille
Nov 12, 2020 7:17 PM CST
mishkab said:If your violet still alive take it out of the soil check for any fungal spots or bugs. Clean everything. Cut leaves with brown spots. If roots still exist ( I doubt) put it in a good new soil in a very small pot (yougurt cup with holes) and cover with a plastic bag. Let it be that way until you see new growth. Soil of AV should be constantly moist (not wet). If you water once a month or so your AV getting too dry and some roots die. You can not see it right away as the leaves still look good. You can try to root some outer leaves (just in case). If no brown spots they still can produce roots and babies.


Thank you for your suggestions!
I dug it out a few days ago and discovered the exact opposite, in which the crown was black and rotted and broke off... 😭

This is how it looked like.
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And the top surviving part looked like this
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It turned out that one month watering was still too frequent for it, either that or the roots didn't establish well to intake water, I don't know. But before I repotted it it didn't seem to have this problem.
To clarify, I didn't water once a month out of neglect, it was in fact moist for a very very long time and I only watered when the top little bit become dry. Being very careful I can't think of any reason why it would rot.

The crown looks very badly rotted so I removed almost all of the leaves and cut it back until I couldn't see any more black rings (which I assumed will spread if I don't cut them off). Though by the time I got rid of them the crown only has a very tiny bit remaining and I don't know if it will root again 😢
The little tiny crown is shown in the photo below:
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I've planted it in a very tiny pot and kept the soil moist. It's been several days and so far I'm not seeing any roots. It's very loosely sitting on top of soil but I will try to resist the urge to lift it up and check it.
I'm really worried that it won't survive and I don't really know what else to do at this point...
Name: Luda
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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mishkab
Nov 16, 2020 2:49 PM CST
>I dug it out a few days ago and discovered the exact opposite, in which the crown was black and rotted and broke off... <

This is what I meant that the roots were gone quite a while ago.
You did everything right. Just put your pot with the crown in a zip lock or under a plastic bottle to increase humidity. It is crucial to keep the crown in a high humidity environment and good light. Don't touch anything unless you see rot or mold. It takes about 2 weeks to produce roots. When the roots appear the leaves slowly regain their turgor. Because no stem left the crown will be very wobbly. You will need to repot it after the plant starts to grow again. Just be patient. Did you take a leaf to root? If not take the most mature one and root it. Just in case. Sometimes you can't see if all the rot removed and the crown will die anyway. I hope it is not your case. Let us know about the results. Good Luck.
P.S. If you need instruction for leaf rooting The Violet Barn has a very good one.

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