Roses forum→Koko Loko or Koko Loco?

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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Oct 31, 2020 2:12 PM CST

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For almost 10 years I've been using the "Loco" spelling, which is also the way the name is spelled on HMF.com.

https://www.helpmefind.com/gar...

I've now changed the spelling to 'Koko Loko' in our database because a new forum member has pointed out that the "Loko" spelling is used by most retailers, including Weeks, and this is a Weeks rose.

https://www.weeksroses.com/pro...

I don't remember this kind of controversy over any other trademarked rose name.
Name: David Tillyer
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BigAppleRoseGuy
Oct 31, 2020 3:18 PM CST
Interesting controversy. I wonder what discussions they had a Weeks
before they decided on this name. Since this is the Rose world, my guess is
that the commercial folks will decide what is "correct". :-(

Name: Mike Stewart
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Mike
Oct 31, 2020 3:23 PM CST
Kooky, huh?
Name: seil
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seilMI
Oct 31, 2020 3:29 PM CST
Sorry but the AEN is Koko Loco. And one of the patent names is 'WEKSTOHOCO'. I don't see anywhere, and have never seen anywhere, the use of the "KO" instead. That's good enough for me. But the only one who has the final say would be Christian Bédard. It's his rose.
Name: Mike Stewart
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Mike
Oct 31, 2020 4:19 PM CST
Well unless Weeks' own website has multiple misspellings, the trademarked name is spelled with a "k" and not a "c".

Thumb of 2020-10-31/Mike/d894ec

Also, the American Rose Society's profile of Christian Bédard lists it as "Loko" at this link:
https://www.rose.org/single-po...
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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Oct 31, 2020 4:44 PM CST
Curiouser and curiousier...
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Name: seil
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seilMI
Oct 31, 2020 7:18 PM CST
When a rose is registered and/or patented it's the breeder's decision on the name. Weeks can call it what ever they want but the breeder is the final authority. So if it should be Koko Loko then he needs to let the AEN know that. Until such time if you want to show it anywhere you need to use Koko Loco.
Name: Mike Stewart
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Mike
Oct 31, 2020 7:53 PM CST
Since Christian is the Director of Research for Week's Roses and also the breeder, I presume it is correct with a "k", no?
Name: seil
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seilMI
Oct 31, 2020 9:36 PM CST
Yes, but then he needs to get the AEN changed or people will get disqualified for showing it with the "k" spelling.
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SusaninSB
Oct 31, 2020 9:59 PM CST
It's too late and dark for me to go out and find the tag on mine, but in my database, I have it as Koko Loco, which is what I've always called it. I'll check tomorrow morning.
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SusaninSB
Nov 1, 2020 11:11 AM CST
The Weeks tag on mine says KOKO LOKO (cv.WEKbijou) Pat.#23269. I purchased mine bare root in January 2018 from a local nursery.
Name: Mike
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Calsurf73
Nov 1, 2020 11:24 AM CST
Mine has a hand written tag spelled with a C...also purchased locally but not with that round metal tag that comes from a grower.
I never paid any attention to the spelling until now ! lol
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SusaninSB
Nov 1, 2020 6:38 PM CST
I don't think they use the metal tags any longer... nowadays, bare roots come with a long plastic tag on them that wraps around a cane. I always try to keep it as long as I can, and stab my hand-written tag through the slit. LOL, my hand-written tag says "Koko Loco".
Name: Mike Stewart
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Mike
Nov 2, 2020 9:11 AM CST
Well, to get the definitive and final word on this, I sent an email to Christian, who is both the breeder of the rose, and the Director of Research for Weeks Roses. I explained that the AEN was reportedly 'Koko Loco' with a "c," but that the name on Week's website was 'Koko Loko' with a "k," and that we would like to know which is correct. He replied that the correct spelling is 'Koko Loko'.

Thumb of 2020-11-02/Mike/6a9ada

Perhaps there is a typo in the published AEN if it appears with a "c" there; or perhaps there is a typo on sites that reference the AEN, such as HMF.
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Name: Porkpal
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porkpal
Nov 2, 2020 10:40 AM CST
Thanks, Mike.
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Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Nov 2, 2020 1:11 PM CST

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Well, that settles that!
Name: seil
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seilMI
Nov 2, 2020 3:44 PM CST
Koko Loko it is! You should share that with HMF, Mike, thanks!
Name: Mike Stewart
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Mike
Nov 2, 2020 10:44 PM CST
Done!

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