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Name: Robin
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Totally_Amazing
Nov 2, 2020 12:01 AM CST
This year some of my seedlings from crosses I made in 2015 bloomed for the first time. I am a novice hybridizer and these are the first crosses I made after my initial trial run a couple years earlier where I just crossed the last 2 hybrids that bloomed. There is nothing special among them. I am just sharing some photos for anyone who is interested in seeing some examples of what blooms are created from various parents.

The first cross I made was Ibiza x Silver Streak.
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I wanted to create a pink broken pattern iris. Since then I have acquired a pink broken pattern iris and I have learned that the broken pattern and plicata traits are recessive and that my chances of getting them is low unless both parent irises have this trait. The pod parent of Ibiza has some plicatas in its ancestry but is not a plicata. I have 15 seedlings from this cross that have bloomed and a bud on another one.

I must apologise for the snail damage on my blooms. I didn't want to introduce any chemicals to the blooms and I didn't want to use pellets because I have a cat.

Most of my seedlings are bitones.
Ibiza 2 Thumb of 2020-10-25/Totally_Amazing/404caf Thumb of 2020-11-02/Totally_Amazing/e0abac has one white streak on one bloom only
Ibiza 3 Thumb of 2020-11-02/Totally_Amazing/3dae7a Thumb of 2020-11-02/Totally_Amazing/36a60c Thumb of 2020-11-02/Totally_Amazing/9f482c has flowers of varying colours on one stem. This is what these blooms looked like the first day they opened. I have been expecting the darker one to fade but 3 days on it still looks the same Shrug!
Ibiza 6 Thumb of 2020-10-28/Totally_Amazing/368ebf Thumb of 2020-11-02/Totally_Amazing/11c964 Thumb of 2020-11-02/Totally_Amazing/f47e9d
Ibiza 8 Thumb of 2020-10-25/Totally_Amazing/6ef36c Thumb of 2020-10-25/Totally_Amazing/90eb24 Thumb of 2020-10-28/Totally_Amazing/7532e1 This is the reddest seedling
Ibiza 10 Thumb of 2020-10-25/Totally_Amazing/93fe71 Thumb of 2020-10-25/Totally_Amazing/800636 Thumb of 2020-10-25/Totally_Amazing/13ceef bloomed last year
Ibiza 11Thumb of 2020-11-02/Totally_Amazing/1a8cb0 Thumb of 2020-11-02/Totally_Amazing/e655ee
Ibiza 12 Thumb of 2020-10-25/Totally_Amazing/433271 Thumb of 2020-11-02/Totally_Amazing/ba0ef2
Ibiza 14 Thumb of 2020-10-25/Totally_Amazing/3b1f91 One bloom only low in the foliage
Ibiza 15 Thumb of 2020-11-02/Totally_Amazing/e81f31 Thumb of 2020-11-02/Totally_Amazing/4bdb0c
Ibiza 19 Thumb of 2020-10-25/Totally_Amazing/ede386 Thumb of 2020-11-02/Totally_Amazing/b0bf8b Thumb of 2020-10-25/Totally_Amazing/8b3839 with Ibiza 12. One bloom on Ibiza 19 went flat
Ibiza 22 Thumb of 2020-10-25/Totally_Amazing/630c1a Thumb of 2020-11-02/Totally_Amazing/72d35f
Ibiza 28 Thumb of 2020-10-28/Totally_Amazing/e02e58 Thumb of 2020-11-02/Totally_Amazing/f14e0a Thumb of 2020-11-02/Totally_Amazing/488cdd
Ibiza 32 Thumb of 2020-10-25/Totally_Amazing/605157

I was excited to see a couple of plicatas in the mix, but no broken patterns.
Ibiza 4 Thumb of 2020-10-25/Totally_Amazing/2f3489 Thumb of 2020-11-02/Totally_Amazing/24b0b1 Thumb of 2020-10-25/Totally_Amazing/935f36 The falls have a hint of beige
Ibiza 18 Thumb of 2020-11-02/Totally_Amazing/414993 Thumb of 2020-11-02/Totally_Amazing/c161c9 Thumb of 2020-10-25/Totally_Amazing/3414d5

Out of these 15 Ibiza seedlings 13 are bitones, 2 are plicatas and 3 are space ages.

These are a couple of group photos. The dark purple bloom is from a different cross.
Thumb of 2020-11-02/Totally_Amazing/c53b4e Thumb of 2020-11-02/Totally_Amazing/e6048b

I am keeping an eye on Ibiza 3 and its varying colour blooms. It has 3 stalks and more buds to open. Does anyone else find this weird?
Name: Joshua
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Australis
Nov 2, 2020 12:18 AM CST

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Thanks for sharing all those photos, Robin. It is interesting to see the variation amongst the seedlings.

#3 puzzles me. You might have to wait for next year to see if it repeats its variable colour palette.

I quite like #8 and #14.

I'm not a huge fan of plicatas, but I think #4 has potential too.
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shizen
Nov 2, 2020 1:01 AM CST
good job of documenting your journey, robin. i liked 22 and 28. i thought 28 was intriguing with it's dark flounces.
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Name: Tom
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tveguy3
Nov 2, 2020 3:40 AM CST
Not only variable colors but different shaped blooms. I love that darkest one of that group.
I agree that 28 is nice with those large flounces. Smiling
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evelyninthegarden
Nov 2, 2020 4:57 PM CST
Robin ~ You have a nice assortment of seedlings there. It proves that you never know what will happen with the "offspring".

I especially like #28

Ibiza 28 Thumb of 2020-10-28/Totally_Amazing/e02e58 Thumb of 2020-11-02/Totally_Amazing/f14e0a Thumb of 2020-11-02/Totally_Amazing/488cdd

and the dark form on #3

Ibiza 3 Thumb of 2020-11-02/Totally_Amazing/36a60c

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janwax
Nov 3, 2020 11:42 AM CST
I'm with Ev on this #3 and #28 look promising.
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Name: Robin
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Totally_Amazing
Nov 3, 2020 6:47 PM CST
Thankyou for your feedback everyone Thank You! .
I am not a fan of maroon bitones and I think any bitone needs to be special to stand out from the crowd. I wasn't excited about any of these seedlings. I was hoping to create some broken colour irises, not bitones. My favourite was number 19. It was a lovely reddish pink. I will keep number 19 and 4 and maybe 28 for another year. I am planning to discard the other half of the seedlings from this cross that didn't bloom this year. I need the space.

In regard to the different colour blooms on number 3, the second bloom from the same socket as very dark brown bloom is lighter and looks close enough to the other blooms to look like the same flower. The stem is broken now (I may have bumped it when taking photos).
Thumb of 2020-11-04/Totally_Amazing/ae9106

On another stem, there are 2 buds that are different colours. It will be interesting to see if these blooms look similar when they open
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Name: Robin
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Totally_Amazing
Nov 3, 2020 11:17 PM CST
Have you ever wondered what happens if you cross a tall bearded iris with an intermediate? Back in 2015 I crossed Devil May Care with Silver Streak hoping to create a purple broken pattern iris.
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Similarly to my previous cross, my chances of getting a broken pattern are low because Devil May Care is not a plicata but it has a great grandparent which is. I have 7 seedlings from this cross and only 2 of them bloomed this year. One was trouble free, the other was nothing but trouble.

Devil May Care 4 was doing well until the top part of the bloom stalk broke off. I put it in a jar of water but it died of rot and I didn't see it bloom. About a week later I noticed there was another bud still on the plant in the ground. This bud produced a chimera with 3 falls and one standard. The bloom is about the same size as Neon Blue, another intermediate bearded iris.
Thumb of 2020-11-04/Totally_Amazing/173c3f Thumb of 2020-11-04/Totally_Amazing/a344f9 Thumb of 2020-11-04/Totally_Amazing/0064ee

Nearly 2 weeks later another bloom emerged. This one had 4 falls. I didn't spray anything to stop the bugs because I have heard that chemicals can affect the blooms and this seedling had enough problems already.
Thumb of 2020-11-04/Totally_Amazing/04fbb7

About 10 days after that I finally got a bloom with 3 standards and 3 falls but the bugs go to it before the bud opened.
Thumb of 2020-11-04/Totally_Amazing/9be428 Thumb of 2020-11-04/Totally_Amazing/1449db

I am hoping it will bloom normally next year without any chimeras. I don't know if these problems are a consequence of crossing a tall iris with an intermediate.
Would you call this iris a broken pattern? There are streaks sometimes.

Devil May Care 5 was the trouble free seedling. I think this bloom is the size of an intermediate too. It has rather long falls like its pod parent.
Thumb of 2020-11-04/Totally_Amazing/c7f0e4 Thumb of 2020-11-04/Totally_Amazing/215ad6
Name: Joshua
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Nov 3, 2020 11:58 PM CST

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Interesting results, Robin. I don't know if DMC#4's problems are a result of the cross or not, but I do know that there can be issues with older IB's fertility and compatibility.
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shizen
Nov 4, 2020 2:40 AM CST
very interesting results, robin. that's a long horn and flounce on 'dmc5', i like that it's tri-colored.
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Nov 5, 2020 11:44 AM CST
Robin, your dmc seedlings are BEAUTIFUL. Lovey dubby That deep purple and the very interesting beards Drooling Ibiza3 also caught my eye. Reminds me of caramel and also honey.

Robin if you're thinking of naming them, here's some ideas I came up with.

4 names for Ibiza3 could be:
1. 'Reminds me of Caramel'
2. 'Caramel Apple'
3. 'Bit o Honey'
4. 'Honey Bear Bo Bo'

Names for your dmc seedlings could be:
1. 'Squiddy Ink'
2. 'Insect Attraction'
3. 'Beetle Juice'



Not only people give others signs, but plants do too.
Name: Robin
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Totally_Amazing
Nov 6, 2020 3:58 PM CST
Hilarious! I could never name an iris "Insect Attraction". I would hope the iris has other qualities that come to mind.
I like the name "Reminds me of caramel" Thumbs up but I won't be keeping Ibiza 3.
Name: Evelyn
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evelyninthegarden
Nov 6, 2020 6:13 PM CST
Totally_Amazing said: Hilarious! I like the name "Reminds me of caramel" Thumbs up but I won't be keeping Ibiza 3.


What???? Confused
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Name: Laurie
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lauriemorningglory
Nov 6, 2020 6:53 PM CST
Robin, I suspect many folks would like that dark one of Ibiza 3, but it was weird how the other blooms were so different.
I love the deep purple color of DMC5!
Name: Robin
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Totally_Amazing
Nov 6, 2020 9:49 PM CST
Evelyn and Laurie - I only had one dark bloom on Ibiza 3, so I suspect it was the anomaly. The rest of the blooms look like this
Thumb of 2020-11-07/Totally_Amazing/6c9084
except for this chimera
Thumb of 2020-11-07/Totally_Amazing/00ab8c

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KatsI2
Nov 7, 2020 8:49 AM CST
I am impressed with your efforts. I think they are lovely. All! The reds I love and think they look good with yellows. I have never tried crosses. I have left seed pods in hopes that I would be able to plant just for fun. However, the seeds never matured. This on my historics as well as hybrids. I do not have any ideas on that. Guess I will have to research that. You are an inspiration to me
Name: Robin
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Totally_Amazing
Nov 7, 2020 4:51 PM CST
Thank You! for your kind words Kats12.

There are several different methods people use to encourage seed germination. I just plant my seeds in potting mix and give them a light spray of water each day. I plant them so they are just covered with a thin layer of potting mix. I don't collect the seeds until the seed pod goes brown and cracks open. When I see a seed pod developing, I put an organza jewelry bag over the seed pod to stop the seeds falling on the ground so I can find them. Once I collect the seeds, I let them dry for 2 days before planting. It doesn't snow in Melbourne or reach freezing temperatures. Maybe you would need to bring the seeds inside over winter. I have my fingers crossed that you succeed next time Crossing Fingers!

AmyLovesIrises
Nov 7, 2020 9:07 PM CST
I love seeing these crosses. A good way to try and get the desired effect would be to breed back one to a broken pattern parent. Just a suggestion to bring out more of the recessive traits you are trying to get.
Can't wait to see more!
Name: Robin
Melbourne, Australia (Zone 10b)
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Totally_Amazing
Nov 9, 2020 12:52 AM CST
Thank You! for the suggestion Amy Smiling . I was thinking that too.
Name: Robin
Melbourne, Australia (Zone 10b)
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Totally_Amazing
Nov 11, 2020 6:07 PM CST
The last cross I made in 2015 was between Silver Streak and Dark Passion. This time I used Silver Streak as the pod parent
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Nine seedlings bloomed this year.
Dark Passion 1 Thumb of 2020-11-10/Totally_Amazing/9b09a4 Thumb of 2020-11-10/Totally_Amazing/4ed194 has thin stems
Dark Passion 2 Thumb of 2020-11-10/Totally_Amazing/41a4cd Thumb of 2020-11-10/Totally_Amazing/fc1e15 Thumb of 2020-11-10/Totally_Amazing/660abe
Dark Passion 3 Thumb of 2020-11-10/Totally_Amazing/76302d Thumb of 2020-11-10/Totally_Amazing/2091af Thumb of 2020-11-10/Totally_Amazing/beb4e0 The top buds bloomed sideways and close together
Dark Passion 5 Thumb of 2020-11-10/Totally_Amazing/4ba8ee Thumb of 2020-11-10/Totally_Amazing/d23162
Dark Passion 7 Thumb of 2020-11-10/Totally_Amazing/5bcbb8 Thumb of 2020-11-10/Totally_Amazing/55bb96 bloomed low in the foliage
Dark Passion 18 Thumb of 2020-11-11/Totally_Amazing/c2d896 Thumb of 2020-11-11/Totally_Amazing/eda18b
Dark Passion 19 Thumb of 2020-11-11/Totally_Amazing/7e54fc Thumb of 2020-11-11/Totally_Amazing/1516ea Thumb of 2020-11-11/Totally_Amazing/58a5cd The underside of the falls is mostly white.
Dark Passion 20 Thumb of 2020-11-11/Totally_Amazing/70b010 Thumb of 2020-11-11/Totally_Amazing/fb9d78 Thumb of 2020-11-11/Totally_Amazing/eb5b7a
Dark Passion 25 Thumb of 2020-11-10/Totally_Amazing/35ba3d Thumb of 2020-11-10/Totally_Amazing/9fc5a2

Thumb of 2020-11-11/Totally_Amazing/df14db (left to right) Dark Passion 20, 2, 1 (in sun and shade)

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