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Name: Stefan
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skopjecollection
Nov 6, 2020 11:06 PM CST
Would any garden variety rhizomatous do? It is my understanding that the compounds I need can be find in germanica, florentina, pallida and versicolor. Considering the last of the 4 is non native and has different foliage.....its reasonable to assume that I could find whatever and it should work to an extent , yes?
Name: Evelyn
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evelyninthegarden
Nov 6, 2020 11:07 PM CST
Stefan ~ I would like to know the answer as well!
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Name: Leslie
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Lestv
Nov 8, 2020 10:51 AM CST
Palladia is the most commonly used in perfume, and Florentina one of the first really used. I do not think it matters which of the germanica iris you use, but the rhizomes have to dry for three or four years in a dry controlled setting before their scent comes out. Keeping them from shrivelling, rotting, getting mold, etc. sounds like a lot of work. Are you going for scent or medicinal properties?
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Name: Stefan
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skopjecollection
Nov 8, 2020 12:01 PM CST
Lestv said:Palladia is the most commonly used in perfume, and Florentina one of the first really used. I do not think it matters which of the germanica iris you use, but the rhizomes have to dry for three or four years in a dry controlled setting before their scent comes out. Keeping them from shrivelling, rotting, getting mold, etc. sounds like a lot of work. Are you going for scent or medicinal properties?


Bitters. I need a small amount. Whadya mean by shriveling?
Name: Leslie
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Lestv
Nov 8, 2020 7:55 PM CST
You have never had a rhizome shrivel up and die? Lucky you!
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Name: sumire
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sumire
Nov 8, 2020 8:26 PM CST
Having looked it up to make potpourri, I suspect that you might be better off purchasing it. Many apothecary shops seem to have it.
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Name: Stefan
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skopjecollection
Nov 9, 2020 9:41 AM CST
sumire said:Having looked it up to make potpourri, I suspect that you might be better off purchasing it. Many apothecary shops seem to have it.


I barely find native plants for my bitters, something exotic and expensive is a lot harder to find.
Name: Stefan
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skopjecollection
Nov 9, 2020 10:39 AM CST
Lestv said:You have never had a rhizome shrivel up and die? Lucky you!


Oh, its not a whole rhizome. Ive cleaned, peeled it and grated via peeler.
Name: Leslie
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Lestv
Nov 10, 2020 10:17 PM CST
Usually that whole rhizome needs to age 2 or 3 years before it developes the scent (and flavor) that is sought after for orris root concoctions. It gets grated after the aging process. Not sure what the flavor difference is between fresh and aged rhizome. Perhaps you can ask the makers of Bombay Sapphire gin that has orris root in it.
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Name: Stefan
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skopjecollection
Nov 11, 2020 10:24 AM CST
Lestv said:Usually that whole rhizome needs to age 2 or 3 years before it developes the scent (and flavor) that is sought after for orris root concoctions. It gets grated after the aging process. Not sure what the flavor difference is between fresh and aged rhizome. Perhaps you can ask the makers of Bombay Sapphire gin that has orris root in it.


I dont really look for quality, as long as it fits the bill(chances are ill get the same if I order online, and Im not into paying lots of taxes) . The parts I took were quite old, and above ground. In fact, that plant has been self sustained and growing in arid conditions....
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Name: Stefan
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skopjecollection
Dec 15, 2020 1:38 PM CST
So , If any of you are curious how the infusion turned out...
I got some light floral smelling substance, but heavy spicy-black pepper like on the taste, with rooty vegital and floral notes....
I am going to dilute it when using in bitters btw, the black pepper bite is something that shouldnt really be there.
Name: Daisy
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DaisyDo
Dec 15, 2020 3:42 PM CST
Isn't iris supposed to be toxic? That's why so many starving critters avoid it despite their hunger.

Cutting out certain of the preparation stages that the professionals use when preparing it...well those stages might be there to reduce toxicity. Something to think about.
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Name: Stefan
SE europe(balkans) (Zone 6b)
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skopjecollection
Dec 16, 2020 10:30 AM CST
DaisyDo said:Isn't iris supposed to be toxic? That's why so many starving critters avoid it despite their hunger.

Cutting out certain of the preparation stages that the professionals use when preparing it...well those stages might be there to reduce toxicity. Something to think about.


Its actually the same "desired" aromatic substance that would be toxic. And no, I didnt cut any corners/preparation stages
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