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Name: Nancy
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Murky
Jan 11, 2021 2:36 PM CST
I found this on a Hungarian site, which wasn't helpful at all to ID the smaller yellow flower mixed in with the petunias. But it looks very nice and something I might consider mixing in my hanging baskets this summer.

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plantladylin
Jan 11, 2021 2:46 PM CST
Maybe a variety of Coreopsis.
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Paul2032
Jan 11, 2021 2:58 PM CST
I am quite certain that it is a creeping zinnia. I've seen it before and have pictures of it in a mixed planting somewhere on the sight.
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KFredenburg
Jan 11, 2021 3:02 PM CST
The flower petals don't exactly match it though, Paul. Take this picture, for example:


The flower petals overlap each other. In Nancy's photo the petals are just side by side.

I could be wrong, though.
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Paul2032
Jan 11, 2021 3:08 PM CST
Perhaps I'm wrong but there are a number of different varieties or creeping zinnias. Not all have the same petal form. I am certainly not any kind of expert but it as my educated guess.
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Name: Nancy
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Murky
Jan 11, 2021 3:09 PM CST
I had thought of coreopsis initially, but none of the photos I've Googled show any with a five-petaled flower, which this one definitely has.

Google translation had one part suggesting others plants to mix with petunias:
"It looks very good when planted with other balcony plants such as e.g. geranium, shrubby daisy, stink bug, wolf tooth, cockerel or droplet flower." But I got nowhere with any of those names.

This is the original page where I found it, if it helps at all. It's about 2/3 of the way down.
https://balkonada.cafeblog.hu/...
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plantladylin
Jan 11, 2021 3:09 PM CST
I can't see the leaves clearly to tell if they go with the Petunias or the yellow flower but another possibility for the yellow flower is Bidens.

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Paul2032
Jan 11, 2021 3:23 PM CST
I should have called the creeping zinnia by its proper name.....Santivalia procumbens. We will need to a agree to disagree..in a manner of friends of course. Google it and look at the pictures.
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Name: Nancy
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Murky
Jan 11, 2021 3:28 PM CST
Bidens looks like a strong possibility. I found this page ( https://www.mygardenlife.com/p... ) with this photo:

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Paul2032
Jan 11, 2021 3:31 PM CST
We need a better look at the foliage....it could be Bidens but Bidens has lacey leaves......
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pardalinum
Jan 11, 2021 3:40 PM CST
There are two types of foliage in the photo and you really have to look closely to see the finely divided leaves of the yellow flowers. The whole, smooth edged leaves would belong to the petunias.

The thing is, I think Bidens and Coreopsis both have finely divided (or "lacey" as Paul describes). The answer may lie in the construction of the blooms.
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plantladylin
Jan 11, 2021 4:10 PM CST
Here's our database entry for Creeping Zinnia (Sanvitalia procumbens) seems to have more than 5 petals as is shown on the plant in Murky's photo.
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Name: Nancy
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Murky
Jan 11, 2021 4:56 PM CST
The original image isn't very detailed, but enlarging it to show just the bottom of the plant where the yellow flowers are hanging, you can see (barely) the thin lacy foliage. If it wasn't a lacy type foliage, you would have to see some leaves near the flowers and you don't. So I'm still thinking the Bidens Ferulifolia is probably it, especially since they have only 5 petals and no variation of that.

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I'm pretty satisfied that it's this particular variety at this point, Bidens ferulifolia 'Peter's Gold Carpet'.

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Thank you all for the help, I was getting nowhere on my own.

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plantladylin
Jan 11, 2021 7:05 PM CST
Bidens ferulifolia is a synonym for Arizona Beggarticks (Bidens aurea) Bidens ferulifolia is a synonym.

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Name: Nancy
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Murky
Jan 12, 2021 9:44 AM CST
The only thing I'm worried about is if it ever forms seeds, I'm reading conflicting info. I've had a weedy Bidens growing along a fence and the seeds have these double-hooks that attach themselves to everything. It took me almost an hour to clean myself off of them when I got rid of it (and still found a few seeds months later).

I'm thinking they won't go to seed, but has anyone had any experience with this flower? Spending my summer deadheading plants isn't something I enjoy doing and try to avoid plants that require it.

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Self-sows freely; deadhead if you do not want volunteer seedlings next season

Seed Collecting:
Allow seedheads to dry on plants; remove and collect seeds
N/A: plant does not set seed, flowers are sterile, or plants will not come true from seed
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Jan 12, 2021 10:48 AM CST

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You can't be certain of one particular variety based on a photo as there are a number of yellow named cultivars. I've grown a few and they have never self seeded for me. Maybe a species does so.
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In a trailing basket such as pictured, I grab an entire handful of all plants and cut in half to refresh. No time to individually snip each dead bloom. It may not look pretty for a while but in no time it is full again with lots of blooms.
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Name: Nancy
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Murky
Jan 12, 2021 12:51 PM CST
Thanks for the info. I definitely want to try mixing them in 3 of my hanging baskets this summer... if I can find them, buying locally would be preferable.

I've had million bells mixed in with petunias before, but by August, the petunias have overgrown the million bells so you barely see 1 flower. I'm hoping these yellow flowers will do better and hold their own. If that doesn't work, I'll stick to just plain petunias.

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