Roses forum→Does Madame Alfred Carriere self-clean? Or other self-cleaning white climber?

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Coastal TX (Sunset 28/31) (Zone 9a)
JuniperAnn
Jan 19, 2021 8:21 PM CST
I love, love, love pictures of climbing roses but, as a daily deadheader of my beloved shrub roses, I shudder at the thought of dead flowers hanging just out of reach. And I am NOT dragging a ladder all over except for twice-annual pruning and training.

But I think I'm finally going to bite the bullet next year and start training a climber across the front of my garage.

I want something:
1. BIG (at least 15 feet, could be much bigger)
2. White, off-white, or fades-to-white
3. Reblooms at least some.
4. Relatively disease resistant in hot, humid climates.
5. Not terribly thorny. (Oops, there goes New Dawn).
6. Pretty good at self-cleaning (doesn't have to be perfect)

The crown of the rose will be in HARSH. sun, but the roots will be in moist shade. So I need a rose that's rather heat-tough but it doesn't have to be super-duper heat-tough.

I love fragrant roses, but fragrance isn't a priority for this rose.

I'm open to any number of petals.

Madame Alfred Carriere is an appealing option in many ways, but I can't find anything about how badly it needs to be deadheaded.

Or, does anyone have a white-ish climber they'd recommend?

Thank you so much in advance!


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dirtdorphins
Jan 19, 2021 8:46 PM CST
Hilarious! I'm sorry for laughing, but, I just can't imagine the trouble I'd be in with daily deadheading compulsions!

I have a relatively newish Mme Alfred Carriere, and I do not struggle to remember the fragrance or the relatively fewer thorns, but, I cannot recall if it seemed to self-clean or not...I'll have to pay more attention next year.

I've got mine in a big spot that I cleared between a tree and a fence and some ~ 6' shrubs--
It is poised to fill its spot soon and I was very impressed with it last year (2nd yr), so hoping next year will be even better.
Anyway, it's a great rose and I hope someone comes along who can answer your question.
Name: Lola
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LolaTasmania
Jan 19, 2021 8:50 PM CST
I have a few MACs and she is self-cleaning for me. I have her where I can see her from my office window and it would drive me insane if I had to look out at dead blooms and bits of brown crispy stuff hanging on.
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Jan 19, 2021 8:54 PM CST
I deadhead Mme. Alfred Carriere and Cl. Iceberg, but I've heard that Sombreuil is self-cleaning. I've heard rave reviews about Sombreuil.
Coastal Southern California (Zone 13a)
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jerijen
Jan 20, 2021 1:46 PM CST
Would you consider a single?
White. Intense musk fragrance.
Thorns, but not excessive.
Mildew-resistant . . . (Don't know about BS.)

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"Secret Garden Musk Climber"

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Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Jan 20, 2021 5:08 PM CST
I think I definitely need that rose!
Porkpal
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
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hampartsum
Jan 22, 2021 6:54 AM CST
What about a hip setting once blooming single rose like 'Wickwar'
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I realize that I have not posted a picture of it (yet) for the db here....(my fault)... Thumbs down
It's blooming its head off literally covered in blooms, single white similar to the SGMCl posted by jerijen.. The hips are really lovelly so that after the petals drop off cleanly, later in the season small orange hips hang on until late winter...thus you don't need to deadhead it at all! The leaves are bluish grey and quite persistent here into late fall.

My Mme A.C. drops entirely its petals so does 'Sombreuil' . Both would fit wihin the scope of your search querrie.

Arturo
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Jan 22, 2021 11:43 AM CST
You mean I am doing all that extra work deadheading when I don't need to? It's a pillar rose, and the shriveled petals stay on for a couple of weeks before they fall off. I didn't notice if it starts to form hips or not. I did read in one of my rose books last night that it is excellent for a north wall.
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
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hampartsum
Jan 22, 2021 2:49 PM CST
@reh0622 Rosemary, I was suggesting a different kind of climber that one deliberately does not dead head . My Mme AC. hardly ever sets hips and the petals drop off cleanly. I suppose that it may be different in different locations though. What I can tell that both aren't source of that type concern here. I do have others that keep their shrivelled petals, thus needy of dead heading.I dead head more to stimulate re-blooming than for aesthetics. When the season is over the last dead heading is part of my general pruning scheme. My 'Sombreuil' is getting ready for its second ( this year big) flush.
Arturo
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Jan 23, 2021 8:26 PM CST
Today I was pruning at the garden where I volunteer, and found a rosehip on MAC from a bloom I missed. So you can get hips if you don't deadhead. But seeing it's a 100 year rose (when it was first introduced), I guess that would be expected if you have bees in the area.

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