Roses forum→O, the suspense!

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Tuscany, Italy
bart2018
Jan 20, 2021 6:56 AM CST
In spite of the fact that I had resolved to not buy any more roses, I wound up getting 5 from Rose Barni. Worse yet, when we went to the garden center to buy our Christmas tree at the end of November, I saw a fine-looking plant labeled as Purple Eden (Ebb Tide, that is). My own potted Ebb Tide is pretty small and wimpy-looking, so I bought this plant. Recently I re-potted it, and was delighted by the extremely vigorous root system,and was patting myself on the back,but then doubts assailed me- maybe it was too good to be true; i.e., that my plant is not Ebb Tide at all,but was mis-labeled. It's pretty thorny, and E Tide is not supposed to be thorny, plus the canes are sort of burgundy coloured. My own wimpy E Tide has green, non-thorny canes,however those of the new rose are quite thick and sturdy,whereas those of my certified wimp are all very thin (not one is as thick as a pencil).
The new rose had not one but two official-looking tags -one small yellow one , one large card-sized one with a picture of the rose ,both of which assert that this is E Tide. I even went on-line and found the wholesale company from which this rose comes, and they do indeed offer E Tide. So now there's nothing left to do but wait until spring when the plant breaks dormancy...
Name: SoCal
Orange County (Zone 10a)
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SoCalGardenNut
Jan 20, 2021 9:47 AM CST
My Ebb Tide is very thorny. In fact out of all my deep purple roses, this is one I would like to remove.
Oops, edit to say, it's the Rose next to it that is thorny. Vavoom is thorny, not EbbTide.
I try to grow everything, sometime not successful.
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Tuscany, Italy
bart2018
Jan 20, 2021 1:09 PM CST
Thank you, So Cal. I sure hope it isn't Vavoom.
Name: SoCal
Orange County (Zone 10a)
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SoCalGardenNut
Jan 20, 2021 1:28 PM CST
Unfortunately it is Vavoom, I edited my post for the correct spelling. Very thorny. I think they are both floribunda roses, but I got them as tree rose.
I try to grow everything, sometime not successful.
Santa Barbara, CA (Zone 9b)
SusaninSB
Jan 21, 2021 6:25 PM CST
I checked today, and my Ebb Tide has very few thorns.

I bought Vavoom in 2011, so excited by its color (I'm crazy for oranges), but ditched it after a few years. It had a very weird and unsatisfactory growth habit. It takes a lot for me to ditch an orange rose :-D
Tuscany, Italy
bart2018
Jan 23, 2021 5:46 AM CST
Too bad; I'm not feeling very optimistic at this point about my rose being correctly labeled. It's not as thorny as some, but it does have quite a few on the thick main stems , though much, much fewer on the thinner ones that branch off of these. But the colouring is very reddish, and all the photos that people have kindly posted for me on HMF and the Houzz forum show E Tides's canes as being decidedly GREEN. I'm very annoyed with myself; WHY can't I learn? I don't want to add more roses to my already too large pot ghetto, and I do NOT want to get any more roses unless I really, really want them. So it looks like I've probably thrown away money on something that I don't even want. Sadly, I don't know any gardeners nearby who want roses; here in my area in Italy people just want to grow vegetables and fruit; if they can't eat it, they don't care about it.
Name: SoCal
Orange County (Zone 10a)
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SoCalGardenNut
Jan 23, 2021 9:43 AM CST
I gave away 10 rose bushes already to my brother so don't feel bad. I might get rid of some more, I think one should focus on the joy of gardening.
I try to grow everything, sometime not successful.
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Jan 23, 2021 10:29 AM CST
Bart, don't lose hope. Although, when I was checking out Ebb Tide at a local nursery and it looked like it had fewer thorns than most, I've seen it listed as "average" when it comes to thorns and prickles. I've noticed that some roses seem to be more prickly/thorny than iin the past. (And I know that technically, roses do not have thorns, but botanically they are classified as "prickles", but..) For instance, my Fragrant Cloud used to never have prickles, but now does. And most new growth, canes, are of the purple variety, so you will just have to wait it out. More than likely it will be Ebb Tide.
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Name: SoCal
Orange County (Zone 10a)
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SoCalGardenNut
Jan 23, 2021 10:38 AM CST
Somehow the roses from Home Depot have more prickles, I gave some to my brother for that reason. Last week, I stopped myself from buying New Dawn at Home Depot because of the prickles.
I try to grow everything, sometime not successful.
SW Ohio River Valley (Zone 6b)
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vaporvac
Jan 23, 2021 2:44 PM CST
Often noticed that some roses become decidedly thorny as they mature. So there's still hope! That's funny about your neighbors only wanting to grow fruits and vegetables. I have a garden helper from Central America and all he ever says is why don't I grow fruit trees. Yes he loves the Roses but doesn't understand why I don't have fruit trees. I don't understand it myself so maybe I need to get on that. I have started to grow figs.
Zone 9, Sunset Zone 9 (Zone 9b)
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Mustbnuts
Jan 23, 2021 3:45 PM CST
Bart, I am envious that you are able to get Barni roses. I would love to get Rinascimento or any other of his striped or bicolored roses. They are beautiful!

Hey, Vape. Congrats on your fig tree! I have been trying to get a Black Madeira (KK) fig tree or cuttings for the past year. No such luck, unfortunately. I have grown Petite Negri, Violetta de Bordeaux and Panache. My favorite is the Panache.
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Santa Barbara, CA (Zone 9b)
SusaninSB
Jan 23, 2021 10:19 PM CST
SoCalGardenNut, if you want to drive up to Santa Barbara, I have a New Dawn in a 5 gallon pot that was ordered from Edmunds last year as a bare root Maria Shriver, that turned out to be New Dawn! Free. I love New Dawn, but I don't need any more climbers.
Name: SoCal
Orange County (Zone 10a)
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SoCalGardenNut
Jan 23, 2021 11:08 PM CST
Thanks Susan for the offer but I don't think I have room for any more roses.
I try to grow everything, sometime not successful.
Tuscany, Italy
bart2018
Jan 24, 2021 5:06 AM CST
Thank you all so much for helping to cheer me up. SoCal, you are 100% right about focusing on the joy of gardening! but I do lose patience with myself ; I'm too impulsive,and I THOUGHT I was sincerely determined to stop over-reaching so much and to try and concentrate on just doing things right instead of childishly yielding to impulse. Of course I will certainly feel better about myself if the rose actually DOES turn out to be E Tide...
Rosemary, that is so interesting that the official name for rose "thorns" is "prickles"; I thought it was the other way around; "prickles"sounds somehow "unscientific", lol. However, I , too, have the general though vague impression that the thorniness (prickle-i ness?) of a rose can and does vary ,as does the colour of the canes,according to age and weather conditions.

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