Roses forum→Which of these Austins should I make cuttings of because they're hard-to-find?

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Santa Barbara, CA (Zone 9b)
SusaninSB
Feb 4, 2021 5:37 PM CST
I have a general idea, but I'd like some input. This is the list of Austins I currently grow:

Abraham Darby
Bishop's Castle
Gertrude Jekyll
Golden Celebration
Jude the Obscure
Molineux
Pat Austin
Radio Times
Sharifa Asma
Sir Walter Raleigh
Symphony
The Prince
William Shakespeare 2000
Wise Portia

My project now that I am retired is to make cuttings of my ultra-rare roses, and I'm doing well, but I haven't started on Austins yet. I do have the Palatine list. Thanks for any input!
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
Roses Dahlias Irises Plant Lover: Loves 'em all!
hampartsum
Feb 4, 2021 6:17 PM CST
Thanks for this very interesting issue! Thank You!
The first question that came to my mind (apart from respecting patents) is which are being widely available in the various nurseries there. Of your list some never reached this far south. I would want to get duplicates for Sharifa Asma, no longer available in the mainstream rose nurseries. The remainder that I'm placing an order soon that are still carried are:
Abraham Darby, Gertrude Jekyll, Golden Celebration, Pat Austin, The Prince. Of these I would try to keep at least 3 bushes of each, since all are exceptional roses.
William Shakespeare 2000 I've got already 5, otherwise I would have placed it above.
Molyneux is one that I'm happy to have a duplicate, but not more
This is what D.A inc says about their vendors in the US, so its a huge offering to go through! Sighing!
https://www.davidaustinroses.c...

The other roses mentioned I have no info whether they are being grown anywhere in this country. So we are a step behind for them.

Some of other older DA's that I want duplicates/replacements in my yard are:
Leander
St.Cecilia
Othello
Evelyn
Constance Spry
The Swan
Dove
Emanuel
This is a tentative list of other are being grown ( according the HMF listing of private gardens) in my country. They are in my search but have been unsuccessful yet.
1. English Garden
2. Fair Bianca
3. Happy Child
4. L.D. Braithwaite
5. St. Swithun
6. Teasing Georgia
7. The Alnwick Rose
8. The Countryman
9. The Dark Lady
10. The Generous Gardener
11. The Reeve
12. The Squire
13. The Wedgwood Rose
14. Tradescant
15. Windflower
My purpose of sharing it, is to give you an idea of other DA's you might want to get cuttings from friends. All of these are out of commerce here and very difficult to find in commerce.
Arturo
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Feb 5, 2021 1:30 PM CST
In the greater Sacramento area, not mentioned in the above list, is the Fair Oaks nursery and Green Acres nursery which usually carries 2 qt. later in the season, and High Hand Nursery in Rocklin which usually has quite a few in #5 pots, and in the past Austins in gal. degradable pots at the Eisley Nursery in Auburn. Eisley has been taken over by Green Acres this year, but it is rumored they still have new stock they have carried in the past.
Santa Barbara, CA (Zone 9b)
SusaninSB
Feb 6, 2021 10:24 PM CST
Arturo, thanks so much for your very detailed list of Austins. Clearly, you love them very much! Since I'm more interested in which of mine are currently out-of-commerce in the US, I was able to get my answers from another rose forum. But thanks again for the detailed list... I'm sure it will help many people!
Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
Roses Dahlias Irises Plant Lover: Loves 'em all!
hampartsum
Feb 7, 2021 4:35 AM CST
Thank you Susan,
There's a reason why I'm so interested in the Austin roses. First they are a huge array of shrub roses. That means that its a huge well thought of mixture of many classes brought together. Second I found them much better adapted to my specific garden situation, as compared to other modern classes. The standard hybrid teas are those that I have the hardest time with... Sighing! I do have a cool summer, and a mild autumn. Thus in some ways similar to that found in the UK where they were bred. The main difference is the ambient humidity when they are in bloom. The UK is by far much more damp and wet. For wettness I can remedy it with irrigation. For dampness, I can improve it a bit by planting them much closer so that evaporation of the leaves remains caught inside the general foliage. The DA's are particularly suited for that purpose. By reducing air circulation I enhance humidity. Yesterday the ambient humidity was less than 20% all day long....very dry!Finally by following the output of this single breeder I also understand where he trod in a lifetime. Each output is telling me something of the rose breeding creative process. I'm very interested in my breeding ventures and studying what others have achieved reduces the risk of re-inventing the wheel. Smiling
Arturo
Name: Audrey
NY (Zone 6a)
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Rosykittycat
Feb 7, 2021 10:38 AM CST
hampartsum said:Thanks for this very interesting issue! Thank You!
The first question that came to my mind (apart from respecting patents) is which are being widely available in the various nurseries there. Of your list some never reached this far south. I would want to get duplicates for Sharifa Asma, no longer available in the mainstream rose nurseries. The remainder that I'm placing an order soon that are still carried are:
Abraham Darby, Gertrude Jekyll, Golden Celebration, Pat Austin, The Prince. Of these I would try to keep at least 3 bushes of each, since all are exceptional roses.
William Shakespeare 2000 I've got already 5, otherwise I would have placed it above.
Molyneux is one that I'm happy to have a duplicate, but not more
This is what D.A inc says about their vendors in the US, so its a huge offering to go through! Sighing!
https://www.davidaustinroses.c...

The other roses mentioned I have no info whether they are being grown anywhere in this country. So we are a step behind for them.

Some of other older DA's that I want duplicates/replacements in my yard are:
Leander
St.Cecilia
Othello
Evelyn
Constance Spry
The Swan
Dove
Emanuel
This is a tentative list of other are being grown ( according the HMF listing of private gardens) in my country. They are in my search but have been unsuccessful yet.
1. English Garden
2. Fair Bianca
3. Happy Child
4. L.D. Braithwaite
5. St. Swithun
6. Teasing Georgia
7. The Alnwick Rose
8. The Countryman
9. The Dark Lady
10. The Generous Gardener
11. The Reeve
12. The Squire
13. The Wedgwood Rose
14. Tradescant
15. Windflower
My purpose of sharing it, is to give you an idea of other DA's you might want to get cuttings from friends. All of these are out of commerce here and very difficult to find in commerce.
Arturo


Hi, Hampartsum,

Teasing Georgia is sold now available at Heirloom Roses. I bought it a few years ago,

I haven't researched the rest of your list. Each year new ones change and become available.😍

Name: Audrey
NY (Zone 6a)
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Rosykittycat
Feb 7, 2021 10:43 AM CST
SusaninSB said:I have a general idea, but I'd like some input. This is the list of Austins I currently grow:

Abraham Darby
Bishop's Castle
Gertrude Jekyll
Golden Celebration
Jude the Obscure
Molineux
Pat Austin
Radio Times
Sharifa Asma
Sir Walter Raleigh
Symphony
The Prince
William Shakespeare 2000
Wise Portia

My project now that I am retired is to make cuttings of my ultra-rare roses, and I'm doing well, but I haven't started on Austins yet. I do have the Palatine list. Thanks for any input!


Hi, Susan,

It does sound fun!! I am considering growing from cuttings just to experience how to do it in near future. Congrats on your venture!

This spring I will try growing Winchester Cathedral and Spring Hill, DA roses, from seeds I bought-hope it works... I have vermiculite and potting soil ready to use for this special chore.

Best wishes!!! Let us know which ones you grow?

Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche, Rio Negro, Argentin (Zone 8a)
Roses Dahlias Irises Plant Lover: Loves 'em all!
hampartsum
Feb 7, 2021 1:16 PM CST
Audrey, remember seeds of Winchester Cathedral or Spring Hill will not produce offspring exactly like the mother plant. So if you want to have duplicates you can only take cuttings and try to root them or take budwood and graft them on adequate rootstock. Then yes, your plants will be identical to WC or SH.
The phasing out of older cultivars by D.Austin inc differs from country to country, but sooner or later it would seem that the array of alternatives shrinks.
Arturo
Santa Barbara, CA (Zone 9b)
SusaninSB
Feb 7, 2021 10:59 PM CST
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Name: aka Annie
WA-rural 8a to (Zone 7b)
Sandsock
Feb 19, 2021 11:44 AM CST
AD is easy to find. GC, Jude and several others are still on the Austin site... a few out of production Austins are on other sites...I used HMF and found some. I'm not sure what you are really wanting.

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