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Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Feb 12, 2021 12:42 AM CST
Deryll sent me some of his seedling daylilies that he was relunctantly culling, a few months ago. Nice fans. Some were clumps. I have no idea what the blooms will look like and he doesn't keep track of the crosses. Since I have such a struggle growing daylilies in my hot zone, I took him up on his generous offer because I still love daylilies even if they don't love my climate conditions here. These will likely only last 2-3 years, like most ALL of mine do (unfortunately).

Anyway, they arrived very healthy and even started showing new leaves until I got hit with some pretty cold weather here in January and beginning of February. BUT ... much to my surprise, 6 different daylily plants have scapes shooting up! One of the clumps (8 fans) has 8 scapes! Blinking Hurray! I didn't even know it until I decided to clean up the dead (frost bitten) leaves of all the various plants in that garden bed and I noticed 1 scape, then 2, then more and more! A little less than half the plants Deryll sent me have scapes! It's February! And it has been unusually cold here this winter.... someone forgot to tell these daylilies! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

Anyway, Deryll picked out some of his nicer seedlings to send to me and I am looking forward to blooms soon! What a nice surprise to see scapes in February! And probably blooms before the end of this month.

Deryll @Deryll - Thanks again for sharing some of your seedlings with me! Thank You!

This is the clump that has 8 scapes:
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A lot of the leaves of ALL my plants were killed by the cold temps, so the clump looks pretty scrawny at the moment. But the cold didn't kill any of the scapes with buds.
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Name: Vickie
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blue23rose
Feb 12, 2021 7:22 AM CST
How wonderful, Becky! And how kind of Deryll to share those seedlings with you. When they bloom it will probably seem like Christmas! You will have to post pictures. Smiling
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Seedfork
Feb 12, 2021 7:53 AM CST
I am very impressed with the early scapes.
Name: Valerie
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touchofsky
Feb 12, 2021 8:13 AM CST
That is exciting, Becky Hurray! I am looking forward to photos!
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Deryll
Feb 12, 2021 4:15 PM CST
Hi Becky!

It is really cold here. The other night it was just zero when I was going to bed. I have been wondering how the plants are doing,
and very happy to know they are budding. It will be interesting to see what you get, because I have no idea now.

I have sent plants to quite a few people on our forum, and just hoping yours grow more than a year or two, but I realize that
there are big differences from Ohio to Florida. Fingers crossed though! Crossing Fingers!
Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Feb 15, 2021 10:17 AM CST
Deryll and all - I will definitely be posting bloom photos when they burst open with color! I can not get over the number of scapes on the one clump of seedlings. 8 scapes! Wow! That is a clump for me here in central Florida. I wished daylilies lasted longer than 2-3 years here. I have a few plants that have actually lasted much longer, but they are a rarity. The number of fans gets smaller and smaller each year on them though. They will eventually be gone too. Crying

The leaves really took a beating when we got down near freezing for several nights in a row. But I fertilized everything and new green is starting to show up. The cold weather didn't seem to faze the scapes and most of the buds. Though I did get some small bud drop, but only about 5 or so. Most of the buds are getting bigger and I can't wait to see what the blooms look like. I like them all regardless. I just happen to love flowers! So it will be a welcome adventure to see what Deryll sent me! Thumbs up Hurray!
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Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Feb 19, 2021 12:27 AM CST
The clump that Deryll sent me had it's first bloom yesterday (Thursday). I glanced over to see if any of the daylilies had bloomed and this bloom jumped out at me. Very pretty shade of yellow. It's as bright of a yellow as I can imagine. I like the gently ruffled edges too. This plant is loaded with scapes and buds! The photos were taken in the early morning. It kept it's bright yellow color throughout the day despite the temps being in the upper 80's today. Good substance to hold it's shape and color! Big Grin Lovey dubby THANKS DERYLL!

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More blooms to come as the other 5 plants that have scapes are getting close to blooming as well.
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Feb 19, 2021 6:21 AM CST

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Thumbs up Looking good Becky! First bloom of the year Hurray!
Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Feb 19, 2021 7:02 AM CST
Thank you, Char! Amazing to see daylily blooms in February.

Here is another one that bloomed this morning:
I love the green throat but the color overall is more of an orangish-pink. I was hoping for a clear pink, but this is still pretty!
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This is the second bloom on the yellow daylily. It opens fully once the sun hits it:
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I am enjoying these early bloomers! Lovey dubby
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Name: Valerie
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touchofsky
Feb 19, 2021 7:49 AM CST
It is nice to see such early blooms, Becky. They are beautiful!
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Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Feb 20, 2021 7:48 PM CST
I have to admit, I really love the yellow blooming daylily that Deryll sent me. This is a picture of it's second bloom once it opened. This was taken at the end of the day about a half hour before sundown. The texture on this bloom is thick, almost wax-like. Holds up very well all day long and the color remains a bright yellow. This clump has 8 scapes with lots of buds. A welcome February surprise! Lovey dubby
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I am trying to remember if I have ever had a daylily bloom that was that thick. I don't think so. Most of my daylily blooms are thin to medium texture, nothing like this one. Makes me wonder what it's lineage is. It's so thick it almost seems like a fake wax flower. LOL!
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Name: Vickie
Elberfeld, Indiana, USA (Zone 6b)
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blue23rose
Feb 21, 2021 6:58 AM CST
That's very nice, Becky! Beautiful color and getting that thick substance is a great bonus!
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Name: Maurice
Grey County, Ontario (Zone 4b)
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admmad
Feb 21, 2021 8:12 AM CST
@Beckygardener Are you growing any of Kaskel's introductions?
Are you growing any of the more recent introductions from Floyd Cove?
In the graphs below 30C is approximately 86F; 35C is approximately 95F, 25C is approximately 77F.
This is what Google displays as the climate for Sebastian, Florida based on NOAA.

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This is what it shows for the climate of Homestead, Florida (where Kaskel hybridized).

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There are daylilies growing in Lahore Pakistan. Not all daylilies survive there. Not all daylilies that survive there flower every year. Many of the daylilies being grown there are from recent Floyd Cove introductions. Below is the climate for Lahore, Pakistan.

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Arisumi only examined one daylily cultivar but found that it grew poorly at temperatures of 85F and 95F. It flowered very poorly at 85F and did not flower at all at 95F.

Do your seedlings from crosses made between cultivars that survive the longest in your location do better than their parents?
Maurice
Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Feb 21, 2021 10:11 AM CST
Vickie - Thank you. I am curious .... do you grow any cultivars that have thick bloom substance? If so, what cultivars are they?

Maurice - I received these daylilies from Deryll. He grew them from seeds and then offered them to me for postage because he was culling many of his seedlings but these were worth sharing. He doesn't keep track of the parentage. (Very generous offer, though!) I love daylilies and figured that it was worth trying his seedlings given my experience over the years with daylilies that don't last. For postage, it was worth maybe having a year of blooms! Paid off! Drooling

I have grown a lot of daylilies! Some were registered (about 55) but most of mine were actually seedlings. I will admit, the seedlings seem to last the longest. Not sure why that is? But unfortunately, most all of them eventually do die. I do have a few that have lasted quite some time. I do not know the parents of most of those. I do believe that heat is the issue. I keep them watered in the hot summer months, but the heat just stresses them and the fans reduce each year until they are completely gone. Many don't even last 2 years. The ones that grow in partial shade last the longest, but they don't bloom much. Some years they don't bloom at all. So it is very frustrating. Florida heat is so brutal that often the toughest of any plants are Florida Natives. Of course. No daylilies that are Florida natives though, that I know of or have ever grown.

That is really interesting about Pakistan daylilies. And that is quite interesting that a Floyd Cove cultivar survives there. Do you know the cultivar name? I need to know what are some good parent cultivars for hot climate conditions. I don't believe heat tolerance is tracked in the Plant Database for daylilies.

I love daylilies and have been so determined to grow some here, but it just gets so frustrating over the years to lose one after another. I would venture to say that I have grown close to 600 of which the vast majority were seedlings. I think currently I have maybe 50 growing, including the ones that Deryll sent me this past Fall. So not very many have survived for very long. And when I say there are approximately 50 .... most are still single fans. They struggle to survive much less multiply. So of 50, I'd say 30 of them are single fans. LOL! And most may not even bloom this year. If they do, it is almost always Spring blooms, very few in summer months. And none that are late bloomers. Only Deryll's are blooming now. Mine will start blooming in March and be finished by June IF they bloom at all.

Thanks for chiming in on my early bloomers thread! I appreciate hearing theories, seeing data, and reading ideas!
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Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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beckygardener
Feb 21, 2021 10:46 AM CST
Here are 2 more blooms today. The pale peach colored daylily is a new one to bloom. Again, another one that came from Deryll. Nice sized bloom at about 6 1/2". It has a fairly thick substance, but not quite as thick as the yellow one.
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The yellow bloomer is 5 1/2". This is the 3rd bloom. All the blooms on this seedling open beautifully!
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Both are flat-faced blooms which I really like. There was lots of pollen on the pale peach one, so I pollinated the yellow bloom with it just for grins! Both of these daylilies are pretty, in my opinion, so why not?! Whistling Hilarious!
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Name: Maurice
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admmad
Feb 21, 2021 10:49 AM CST
@Beckygardener

There are a substantial number of daylily cultivars that grow and flower in various locations in Pakistan.
I will post the names of some of those cultivars in this message and hopefully learn of more later.

There is a fundamental process that affects plants growing in environments to which they are poorly adapted (like daylilies in locations with high temperatures). The plants that survive are genetically different from the ones that do not survive. The ones that grow well are genetically different from the ones that do not grow well. The ones that flower well are genetically different from the ones that do not flower or do not flower well. If the plants that survive, grow well and flower well in the extreme locations are used in crosses then their seedlings, on average will be better than the parents.

A theoretical example.

Say I bought 100 different cultivars and grew them in an extreme environment. Suppose that only five of them survive well and flower well in the extreme environment (location). That is 5% survival. I cross those five cultivars every which way among themselves and grow 100 seedlings. I grow those 100 seedlings in the same extreme environment (location). Typically more than 5% of those seedlings will survive and grow well. It might be any percentage usually higher than 5% but less than 100%. Lets say it was 10%. I now cross those 10 seedlings every which way among themselves and grow 100 seedlings. Typically more than 10% of those seedlings will survive and grow well. With each passing generation that I cross surviving seedlings amongst themselves the percentage that will do well in the extreme conditions will increase. The population of daylilies is genetically adapting to the extreme environment.

That genetic adaptation to the local conditions in which plants grow and breed happens automatically in nature since the plants best adapted with flower best, produce the most seeds and leave the most offspring. It also happens to the plants that each hybridizer produces because they will also tend to choose the seedlings that grow and flower best in their conditions. They may do it automatically (subconsciously) or do it deliberately. So plants hybridized in different locations become genetically adapted to those conditions and will do best in similar conditions. Munson (south) and Moldovan (north) found that their introductions did poorly in the other growing locations. They introduced plants from the other hybridizer into their breeding populations to make their own introductions better adapted to a wider range of growing conditions/locations. However, after those mixtures, with the passage of time and generations their breeding populations would again become better adapted to the location conditions and less well adapted to other conditions.

So daylilies hybridized in the north (whatever their registered foliage) will grow less well in the south (on average - in general - but there will always be exceptions especially if southern-bred plants are used as parents - introduced into the breeding populations). And vice versa.

A list of cultivars that have grown well in Pakistan (hopefully more will be identified):
Heartbeat of Heaven
Not Guilty
Entwined in the Vine
So Many Ripples
Victorian Lace
The Band Played On
The Blue Parrot
Born to Run
Lexington Avenue
Clothed in Glory
Passion District
Olly Olly Oxen Free
Dizzy Miss Lizzy
Bat Masterson
Bowl of Cherries
Sailing at Dawn
Carol Todd
Spanish Fiesta
Mardi Gras Ball
Jamaican me Crazy
Across the Universe
Cherry Valentine
Water Drops
Blue Mountains
Tequila Mockingbird
Fox Hunter
Affirmative
Hattie McDaniels
Picture in Picture
Seagulls Heaven
Celtic butterfly
Electric Mist
Portofino
Winter Rainbow
Mississippi Music Man
Abilene Lillian
Fashion Rings
Maurice
Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Feb 21, 2021 10:50 AM CST
Something else that I have noted .... the fancier, newer daylily cultivars don't do well in my yard. I think the older cultivars are hardier for hot zones. Just my observation. You all know how much I love Dragonfly Dawn. I got some beautiful children seedlings of DD, but none of them lasted more than 2 years. The fancier, the less likely they will survive here. Confused Crying

@admmad - Editing my post to reply to Maurice - I believe that you are absolutely correct! And that is one of the reasons I haven't given up on daylilies completely. I bred the rust out of them. Now I need to breed for heat hardiness! Thank you for confirming what I have believed all along! And THANK YOU for the list of cultivar names! That gives me something to consider when obtaining plants and seeds. I sincerely appreciate it! I just can't give up on daylilies because I enjoy them so much. Even if they only last a year or so. I am daylily-holic! LOL!

@blue23rose - Vickie - Thank you for the cultivar names. There is something about that thick substance that makes me want to see if I can get it to survive in my garden. I honestly don't remember seeing blooms that thick. I think Deryll has a good idea breeding that type of bloom. And the flat face is the icing on top! I love it!
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Name: Vickie
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blue23rose
Feb 21, 2021 10:52 AM CST
Becky, I seem to remember that American Doll had a fairly thick substance, but I gave that one away. I know, big mistake! But I just had to make room somewhere.

Worth it All also has a thick substance. I have only had Substantial Evidence a couple of years. It is supposed to be thick, but I can't remember the blooms right now.

I can't think of too many others right now. But there are probable a couple more.
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Name: Vickie
Elberfeld, Indiana, USA (Zone 6b)
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blue23rose
Feb 21, 2021 11:03 AM CST
Becky, I found this thread that mentions some daylilies with substance.

The thread "Daylilies with Substance" in Daylilies forum
Vickie
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Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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beckygardener
Feb 21, 2021 11:12 AM CST
Vickie - Excellent! Thank you for looking for such a thread and sharing it with me! I genuinely appreciate it! Thank You!
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