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Name: Jasmin
Toronto, Ontario (Zone 5b)
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Jasmin
May 13, 2021 1:47 PM CST
Look what happened to my Daybreak magnolia. Everything looked OK on Sunday. I don't know when exactly this happened, but all open flowers flopped. I don't recall any frost, strong rain, or similar. It has never happened before. What could this be? Confused Confused Confused
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"Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better."~Albert Einstein
Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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kousa
May 13, 2021 2:37 PM CST
I am so sorry about your magnolia, Jasmin! I hate it when this happens to anyone since these bloom only once a year. Hope this fickle weather will stop for you from now on.
Name: Alex
Toronto, Ontario
Region: Canadian
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AlexUnder
May 13, 2021 3:04 PM CST
Did you have this magnolia for a while, Jasmin?
Name: Jasmin
Toronto, Ontario (Zone 5b)
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Jasmin
May 13, 2021 5:12 PM CST
For at least 10 years, if not more. There is another magnolia in the front, two houses from mine. That one is OK. So are other magnolias closer to the lake. I don't understand what happened.
"Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better."~Albert Einstein
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Name: LG
Nashvillle (Zone 7a)
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Mieko2
May 13, 2021 6:15 PM CST

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It does look like freeze damage. If they all turn black, then that's probably it. If they stay normal color, there might be some disease issue there.
It's so sad that you lost the blooms.
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Name: Alex
Toronto, Ontario
Region: Canadian
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AlexUnder
May 13, 2021 7:20 PM CST
No idea what it could be. I have problem with my Japanese maple which could be some kind of blight. Check what kind of disease magnolia are susceptible to.
Name: Bea
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bumplbea
May 14, 2021 1:00 PM CST
It looks like it could be Verticillium wilt is caused by two types of fungus, Verticillium dahliae and Verticillium albo-atrum, both of which live in the soil that affect mags.

Or too much water ..roots sitting in water to long can also cause wilt problems.

The good news it is repairable.

So sorry what a disappointment. If you take a sample to your local extension service a Master Gardner can help identify the issue and recommend a treatment .


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Name: Liz Best
Elizabeth Colorado (Zone 4b)
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LizinElizabeth
May 15, 2021 8:31 AM CST

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So sorry about your magnolia blooms Jasmin, hope you're able to determine a cause and are able to fix it. I'm starting to collect magnolias as I see them offered locally in AL, surprised to see so many bloom twice or more each year. Think I'll concentrate on that type...

LG, I would have heart failure if I found a big rattler in a garden bed! So far I've only seen 1 snake on the property and it was non-venomous. There was a timber rattler killed on the property by our surveyor and I did see the skin, to be honest that was one of the reasons, a lesser one for sure but I did think about it, to clear cut most of the pines and replant less dense. Less foresty areas, less prey and less snakes.
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Name: Jasmin
Toronto, Ontario (Zone 5b)
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Jasmin
May 15, 2021 10:29 AM CST
Bea, thank you suggestions. It does look like some sort of wilt, but it wasn't worming enough for Verticillium wilt; we were not even close to 21C. I will have to wait and see if the magnolia will leaf out.

LG, it did look like frost, but we didn't have any frost when this happened. It suddenly warmed up. That's how I felt. Again, I will have to wait and monitor this poor magnolia. Thank you.

"Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better."~Albert Einstein
Name: Jasmin
Toronto, Ontario (Zone 5b)
Peonies Roses Clematis Native Plants and Wildflowers Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Bee Lover
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Jasmin
May 15, 2021 4:35 PM CST
Mieko2 said:It does look like freeze damage. If they all turn black, then that's probably it. If they stay normal color, there might be some disease issue there.
It's so sad that you lost the blooms.


They are turning black today. We will have to wait and monitor if the tree will leaf out. Thanks.
"Look deep into nature, and then you will understand everything better."~Albert Einstein
Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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kousa
May 18, 2021 8:34 PM CST
A heat wave is heading my way starting tomorrow. It's going to hit 90 on Sunday. Just terrible weather! It's been dry for the last 10 days and now a heat wave. I am expecting the peonies to fade real fast with these temperatures. I am going to have to cut a lot for cold storage. It is time like this that I wish I have a dedicated refrigerator for storing peonies.
Name: Alex
Toronto, Ontario
Region: Canadian
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AlexUnder
May 18, 2021 9:46 PM CST
Great idea, Karen. I guess if the weather is going to be too hot I'll start cutting as well.
Name: Helen
Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
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Minyatur
May 24, 2021 8:10 AM CST
Anyone's bloom order out of wack this year?

My early to mid-season opened before the corals (early season), half the late season are opening before the mid season. I was surprise to walk out and see super tiny blooms on festivia maxima and karl rosenfeld (both late season) today, while coral n gold (early mid-season) just bloomed today and half my mid-season are still very small buds.
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Name: Valerie
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
Region: Canadian Seller of Garden Stuff Peonies Hybridizer Irises Daylilies
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Vals_Garden
May 30, 2021 12:28 PM CST
Am I the only member that had SNOW three days ago and frosts every night since OMG Crying Amazingly, the peonies/buds that survived the nightly frosts before the current ones didn't seem to mind at all but sooooooo much else did. The Frost grass ( Spodiopogon sibiricus) was reduced to mush - the irony not lost here Rolling on the floor laughing , all the Katsuras (Cercidifillum japonicum) lost their new leaves (smelt gorgeous as a result), as did many trees and shrubs, and the taller Siberian irises with buds all bent permanently along their stems Sad The tomato plants not 'fleeced' died, as did all the runner beans and the new growth on all dahlias. 'Tempus horribilis' is what all this is.
The one bright moment was first blooms of a Lemon Chiffon seedling;
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The picotee is quite a dark rose and persists for days.
Name: Alex
Toronto, Ontario
Region: Canadian
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AlexUnder
May 30, 2021 2:26 PM CST
Lovely seedling, Valerie! We had snow a few days ago as well.
Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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kousa
May 30, 2021 4:27 PM CST
Interesting seedling! Very nice color !
Name: Valerie
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
Region: Canadian Seller of Garden Stuff Peonies Hybridizer Irises Daylilies
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Vals_Garden
May 31, 2021 7:26 AM CST
I think I had an ah-ha moment after the devastation of the most recent freezing weather when the fleeced tomatoes lived on and the big black pot-covered ones did not. Does the black or the plastic actually make a frost-cover worse? Is this why Tranquil Dove, with a huge black pot, lost its buds while Magical Mystery Tour rubbing shoulders with it and uncovered, lost no buds D'Oh! Anyone have any scientific evidence for this or am I just clutching at straws? If this is the case then there are a few peonies that come off my Fall Move List Rolling on the floor laughing
Name: Anya
Fairbanks, AK (Zone 3a)
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anyagoro
May 31, 2021 3:59 PM CST
Very nice seedling, Valerie!
Name: Valerie
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
Region: Canadian Seller of Garden Stuff Peonies Hybridizer Irises Daylilies
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Vals_Garden
Jun 1, 2021 7:21 AM CST
Thank You! Alex, Karen and Anya
This is one of the blooms on its last day;

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If this is its first year, next year should be great Crossing Fingers!
Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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kousa
Jun 3, 2021 8:40 PM CST
It almost looks like a specie peony. SInce it is in its first year, I would love to see its blooms next year to see if there are any changes in its form.

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