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Mar 7, 2021 3:01 PM CST
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JC NJ/So FL (Zone 7b)
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So I saw this tree in the garden nursery near Palm Beach FL. Maybe 2 stories high.
Very interesting leaves. Curious about What is it?

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Mar 7, 2021 3:35 PM CST
Perthshire. SCOTLAND. UK
Garden Photography Region: United Kingdom Plant Identifier
Hibiscus tiliaceus variegated form.
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Mar 7, 2021 3:36 PM CST
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JC NJ/So FL (Zone 7b)
Amaryllis Hydroponics Houseplants Region: Florida Container Gardener Garden Photography
Bromeliad Aroids Tropicals Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
nope, i know H. tiliaceum very well. the leaves are heart shaped and variegation totally different. It is actually quite common in So FL.
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Mar 7, 2021 3:41 PM CST
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Mar 7, 2021 3:46 PM CST
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JC NJ/So FL (Zone 7b)
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Bromeliad Aroids Tropicals Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
i saw that picture, it's incorrect . if you google 'Variegated Hau' u get H. taliceum (taliceus), not that.
that link u posted to TT - that one shows H. taliaceum correctly. did u bother to look?
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Mar 7, 2021 4:21 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
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Dealing with rudeness is way above my pay grade. Good luck on finding an ID.
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Mar 7, 2021 4:35 PM CST
Perthshire. SCOTLAND. UK
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skylark said:i saw that picture, it's incorrect . if you google 'Variegated Hau' u get H. taliceum (taliceus), not that.
that link u posted to TT - that one shows H. taliaceum correctly. did u bother to look?


I first saw this plant and took a pic of it with the label on Hawaii in a Botanical garden.
Top tropical link ..Thank you I did look, as it happens.
Did you look at all the pictures?
There is no need to be horrid.
The identical leaf can be found in the bottom of all the smaller pics.
https://toptropicals.com/catal...

It would seem that every image of this plant on www is mis labelled.
I will continue to try and find an id to correct my mis labelled pics...and if possible will help.
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Mar 7, 2021 4:41 PM CST
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JC NJ/So FL (Zone 7b)
Amaryllis Hydroponics Houseplants Region: Florida Container Gardener Garden Photography
Bromeliad Aroids Tropicals Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
i did not realize it's yours. but even so in botanical gardens (which i visit a lot!) you can get a wrong label. or mistakenly use a label for a neighboring plant.
i don't see any reliable site ID'ing it according to your label.

there are so-o many erroneous images all over the net.
yes, i saw those 2 images at the end on TT too . they are from what appears a russian source.
TT does not police user uploads for correctness in any case.
and it seems the following image from flicker is now referenced by several other pages and all over pinterest.
link correction:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/...


@DaisyI , what u perceived as rudeness is just a phone post that i typed in a rush.
i find it exasperating when people post answers in ID forum without verifying sources.
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Mar 7, 2021 5:21 PM CST
Perthshire. SCOTLAND. UK
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Quote. skylark...."i find it exasperating when people post answers in ID forum without verifying sources."
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Sadly I am just human.
As such I am not perfect.
I try to help here as best I can.
I always try to add pics/links to back up my answers.
I hate to pass on incorrect info.


Maybe you could ask the nursery what the name of the tree is .
Then I can correct all my incorrectly named images.
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Mar 7, 2021 5:50 PM CST
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JC NJ/So FL (Zone 7b)
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Bromeliad Aroids Tropicals Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
;)..i'll do just that in a couple of weeks: it's a long drive. hopefully we'll know before that.
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Mar 7, 2021 6:26 PM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

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That tall plant looks very familiar but the name of the one I was thinking of isn't coming to mind.

The photos below are the Sea Hibiscus (Talipariti tiliaceum) - that I'm familiar with, which is quite common in South Florida. It has a synonym of Hibiscus tiliaceus. I'll have to go down the street to my sisters house tomorrow and take some pictures because they have a huge "Mahoe" growing in their front garden.





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Mar 8, 2021 4:40 AM CST
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More new info in post below this one.
N.B.
By the way any images I post are mine.
If I do not have my own pics I add links.
I do not steal pics taken by others.

Plant identification is not always easy....it is a detective hunt.
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Hibiscus hastatus.
Some authorities have it listed as ...
Hibiscus tiliaceus ssp. hastatus!
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Quote wiki....."Leaves are variably 3-lobed with some leaves being more slender and nearly lobeless ('hastatus' refers to the spear-like shape of the leaves). "
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Quote...Flowers of India.....
"Lobed Leaf Sea Hibiscus is an evergreen small spreading tree, up to 25 ft high and nearly as wide. It is native to some islands in the Pacific ocean, and is widely cultivated in tropical regions of Asia. This species differs from Sea Hibiscus in having leaves that are variably 3-lobed with some leaves being more slender and nearly unlobed (hastatum refers to the spear-like shape of the leaves). The blossoms are pale yellow. occasionally with intermittent pale red petal margins, and a deep red center upon opening. Over the course of the day, the flowers deepen to orange and finally red before they wither."
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See also....link below...Quote
GENETICS
Variability
Hibiscus tiliaceus in a broad taxonomic sense is a highly variable species with seven distinctive subspecies (see be-low),

includes.
"Hibiscus tiliaceus subsp. hastatus (L. f.) Borss. Waalk. (found in Pacific islands; distinctive in its three-lobed leaves"

https://raskisimani.files.word...
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It looks very similar in the leaf veins...sadly cannot find a variegated one. I am still working on this!
Not there yet!

https://commons.wikimedia.org/...

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Mar 8, 2021 7:12 AM CST
Perthshire. SCOTLAND. UK
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See comments above.
I have sent e mail to Botanic Gardens in Hawaii for further help.
MEANWHILE.....
I have just found more of my pics of this fabulous tree from Vanuatu. Solomon Islands.New Caledonia
Showing the flowers.
Def Hibiscus family!
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Mar 8, 2021 7:31 AM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

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@Silversurfer, I sure appreciate your knowledge and help with identifying plants! The leaves of Malvaceae can certainly be variable and I believe your original identification of the plant in question is correct. Great photos of the leaves and bloom of that tree in Vanuatu!

This thread reminds me that I need to get cuttings from my sisters huge tree, to try and root a few!
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Mar 8, 2021 10:28 AM CST
Perthshire. SCOTLAND. UK
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skylark said: i saw those 2 images at the end on TT too . they are from what appears a russian source.


T.T = Top Tropicals

I ignored your comment yesterday.
Today have had time to reflect on all you said.
REALLY. ..this is a terrible, derogatory comment to make.
There are just as likely to be brilliant, talented, clever botanists in Russia as in USA.
One is on these very forums.

Have you thought to e mail the nursery for their help?
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Mar 8, 2021 10:31 AM CST
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Ooops Sorry..error! Posted twice. See above.
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Mar 8, 2021 11:05 AM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

Region: Ukraine Region: United States of America Bird Bath, Fountain and Waterfall Region: Florida Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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skylark, maybe you can contact the nursery in Palm Beach where you saw the tree and inquire as to the identity. If it's a reputable nursery, they should be able to give you the name but I think Silversurfer has correctly ID'd the plant.
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Mar 8, 2021 11:23 AM CST
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JC NJ/So FL (Zone 7b)
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Bromeliad Aroids Tropicals Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
That's great . I am delighted. Seems like there is an entry in DB, perhaps we can add pics to it?
As far as derogatory comment: disagree.
It's a plain statement on origin of the pic.
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Mar 8, 2021 11:40 AM CST
Name: Lin Vosbury
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)

Region: Ukraine Region: United States of America Bird Bath, Fountain and Waterfall Region: Florida Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Birds Butterflies Bee Lover Hummingbirder Container Gardener
Sometimes, when we aren't sitting face to face (in person) it's difficult to know for certain the tone, mood, or intention of what was said but it was the part of your comment in this post https://garden.org/thread/view... that sounded a bit derogatory. To be exact, where you said:
skylark said:did u bother to look?


If you feel that your plant has been correctly identified, you can add your photos to the database here: Sea Hibiscus (Talipariti tiliaceum)
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Mar 8, 2021 11:48 AM CST
Thread OP
JC NJ/So FL (Zone 7b)
Amaryllis Hydroponics Houseplants Region: Florida Container Gardener Garden Photography
Bromeliad Aroids Tropicals Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant Identifier
just to add that i found a link to this pic from Puerto Rico:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/...
if you look at comments it's identified as T. tiliaceum var. populneus
and also seems to be found in Brisbane bot gardens.
it is referenced here:
https://calphotos.berkeley.edu...

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