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ocsdfw
Mar 16, 2021 11:16 AM CST
I am located in the North Dallas area. I figured the temps where good enough to do prune, raise, and repot. I will not be put outside until I am sure there will not be a another fluke freeze and the temps are a little higher at night. What I have done so far is removed DR from current pot. Washed all the old dirt out and did some light trimming on the roots. I also pruned the branches and part of the caudex then superglued the cuts. I then soaked the base in thiomyl for 20 minutes then hung it to dry in the garage. Right not I have it hanging in the garage in preparation of putting it in its new pot . I have Ocean Forest potting soil and #3 perlite and a proper size pot to put it in. Today is the second day of hanging. Question is how long does it need to hang if at all? Pictures attached of post cut DR and hanging. Also a picture of how far I plan to raise it.

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deepsouth
Mar 16, 2021 12:16 PM CST

same freeze happened here ....

cuts from root & stem pruning leaves open "wounds", that if wet, may rot ....the idea of air drying is to allow the wound to dry / callous over, sealing the wound ...that takes about 10 to 14 days ...or less, if humidity / dew-point is low

but sealing with super-glue changes all that ... am guessing here (since I have never used super-glue on adeniums - but sounds like a really good idea) ... if the cuts look "water tight", and firm to the touch - then I would suggest repot now ..

have never used Ocean Forest potting soil ..sounds rich in nutrients, but would suggest you add more
inorganic material (like rocks, pebbles, lava rock, poultry grit, lump charcoal, large grain sand) to make your potting medium more chunky / gritty and faster draining

lifting about an inch is good .....

ocsdfw
Mar 16, 2021 12:54 PM CST
deepsouth thanks for the info. Super Glue is recommended on multiple Face Book Groups. Some use wood glue. This in my first and only DR so I am trying to hopefully not kill this thing. It did so well the first summer I had it. Kept it in the full sun here in DFW, watered almost daily and it grew like crazy and bloomed a lot. I am obviously committed now but wanted to make sure I am doing the right things in the right order. Ocean Forest is also a favorite of people who are into DR plants on the FB group I belong to. Its is said to mix a ration of 70/30 give or take of soil and perlite to help with the drainage. I do have some horticultural charcoal sitting around doing nothing so it may not be a bad idea to ad that to the mix also.

If you into DR here is a good FB group to join. Lots of seasoned growers as well as newbies.

https://www.facebook.com/group...
Name: James
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deepsouth
Mar 16, 2021 1:19 PM CST
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Hey ...if it works, by all means go for it ............I left Facebook ...why isn't important

Have around 75 plants .. most are around 8 years old, a few over 15 years and 1 approaching 20 years .... and a few Adenium arabicum

when temps around here are in the 100's adenium are soaking up the suns rays and getting watered once every 3 days - any rainfall is a bonus .....







ocsdfw
Mar 16, 2021 2:46 PM CST
That's awesome. I cant commit to more than one right now lol. I have plenty in my yard to worry about. We have a nice collection of indoor plants but those are my wife deal. I guess if its not a rush I will let it hang and plant it by this weekend if that wont hurt it any? Once I get it planted I should only water once and wait for new growth before I water again? Then slowly get it used to being outside and eventually into the full sun? When I first got this I had planned for it to be a indoor plant but even in a sunny windows it did poorly. I made the decision to put it outside thinking I had nothing to loose and it took off. I did not even do it gradually which thankfully did not cause any issues.
Name: James
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deepsouth
Mar 16, 2021 4:35 PM CST

don't see any harm in waiting a few extra days .... the main thing is keeping cut surfaces from getting wet

place about 1" of stone at the bottom of pot -

when plants are raised - it helps to anchor the caudex down with some sort of stone or rock -

if you review my pictures ...look at the middle 1/3 and visualize - that section is my actual growing medium - that's all the soil they need... the upper 1/3 is rock and lowest 1/3 is rock ....

so, once you repot ...give it a couple of days ... then saturate the pot to the point that water is draining from the hole at the bottom of the pot, saturate again ... water at least the volume of the pot (each time to saturation - this will take several passes)

when to leave outdoors ?
watch your local weather ... when night time temperatures are a sustained 50° or higher, with zero chances of freezing or a lengthy drop into the 40's ....then it is safe to leave outdoors

place in full sun .... while daytime high temperatures are in the 70's to 80's water to saturation once every 7-10 days ....

try to get on a watering schedule ... it can be flexible

as daytime temperatures climb into the 90's increase watering to saturation once every 5-7 days
as daytime temperatures climb into the 100's or above water to saturation once every 3-5 days

If it rains, say 1" or more I will add another set of days (i.e. if its been 90° ...it rains 2" I will add 5-7 days until the next scheduled watering)

summer = growing season = in the summer months treat adenium like a tropical plant - water to saturation
winter = dormant season = in the winter months treat adenium like a cactus - water lightly, once every 50-60 days

Never allow your plant to sit in water - ever

Nothing will kill a plant faster than being water logged

Check plant leaves frequently for aphids and scale .... treat with insecticidal soap (once dry wash off)

One other point ...adenium take forever to respond to changes .... be vigilant and let it do its thing


ocsdfw
Mar 16, 2021 5:18 PM CST
Thanks for all the advice. I have some work left on it then its wait and see and hope all goes well. I am good at following instructions and you have gave me a lot of help and I appreciate it.
Name: James
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deepsouth
Mar 16, 2021 5:25 PM CST

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ocsdfw
Mar 17, 2021 6:03 AM CST
So just to clarify after re-potting don't water right away. Wait a few days them

" saturate the pot to the point that water is draining from the hole at the bottom of the pot, saturate again ... water at least the volume of the pot (each time to saturation - this will take several passes)"


After that I should not water again until it gets warmer?

Side Note - I noticed you have some type of media on top of some of your plants, rocks or something like that. I did this to mine the first year but was told if was a bad thing since the rocks can get hot and that is not good for the plant. I prefer the look compared to bare soil.

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Name: James
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deepsouth
Mar 17, 2021 8:47 AM CST

that's right ..... after repotting ....wait a few days before watering to saturation

after this initial watering ..... don't water again until the temperatures warm up ....

your plant is coming out of dormancy ....meaning not much has been happening with the plant ...growth had been halted ...water / nutrient uptake had slowed ..... warmer weather breaks dormancy

repotting, root trimming, stem cutting and lifting puts the plant under extreme stresses ... we do not want to throw a lot at it while it is coming out of dormancy ....

i put rock on top to anchor the plants caudex in place ..... this not only keeps lifted plants more stable (keeping plants from falling over) - it also keeps the potting media cooler

as for rock getting hot ...... adenium are native to Sub-Sahara North Africa, the Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen & Oman Gulf of Aden out to Socotra .... some of the hottest places on earth .....

ocsdfw
Mar 17, 2021 1:07 PM CST
Great info. Last question if you have time. What type of fertilizer do you use when planting / feeding? As far as rock top dressing I was thinking the same thing Its hot as hell in Africa so how can a few rocks for decoration and stability hurt. But as you know on the internet there are 10 different answers for one question.
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Name: James
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deepsouth
Mar 17, 2021 2:05 PM CST

as for fertilizer ...your potting mix is nutrient rich ..... you may not need anything else

My potting media is part coconut coir (not nutrient rich) - so I have to add fertilizer to make up for the discrepancy

Fertilizer -

I use 2 types

1)
during a adenium repot - as I add potting media - I will sprinkle-in or layer in, 1 tablespoon of Osmocote 14-14-14 slow release fertilizer ....Osmocote look like little plastic balls ...each watering dissolves the outer coating releasing fertilizer -

2) every 2 to 3 weeks I will water with Miracle-Gro All Purpose .... since I have so many plants .... i use a hose end attachment with watering wand .... the attachment is a plastic jar dispenser - add the dry Miracle-Gro packet to dispenser .... and the wand screws to the front of the dispenser ...
water / fertilize to saturation - at least the volume of the pot

Miracle-Gro provides all the trace elements / nutrients, that Osmocote doesn't have

Think of Miracle-Gro as a short term nutrient source - and use it more for the trace elements

I consider Osmocote a long term fertilizer - add only once to each repot / lift ...2-3 years from now, there will still be unused Osmocote



ocsdfw
Mar 17, 2021 2:11 PM CST
Thanks again for all your help. I really appreciate it.

Name: James
North Louisiana (Zone 8b)
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deepsouth
Mar 17, 2021 2:26 PM CST
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ocsdfw
Mar 18, 2021 5:04 PM CST
Got it planted today. Did not water. I will water Sunday to saturation as you instructed. Right now its in the garage but I do have a few windows in there so it does get indirect light for now. I thought I would keep it there through the weekend just in case the nights get colder than expected then either put it inside the house in a sunny window or keep it on the front port which is shaded until it gets warmer so it can get use to the rise in temps outside then gradually back into the sunlight? As far as watering goes should I not water it again until is shows some growth / leaves after this initial first water? I raised it some as you can tell do you think I can go up a little more?

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Name: James
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deepsouth
Mar 18, 2021 6:03 PM CST

next watering ? to be on the safe side - after this first watering - skip any watering for at least 50 days ...unless plant is outside, under full sun and night lows are above 50° -
right now...and the foreseeable future, it is too cool for saturation watering

I would for sure add more chunky material to your mix ....as is, your soil will hold too much water - and not allow much of it drain off - that in itself will promote root root ....

a chunky + gritty mix I have used for years

2 Part: Coconut Coir -
1 Part: Poultry Grit (chicken grit) /or Pea Gravel
1 Part: Perlite - coarse
1 Part: Sand - coarse Builder's Sand, or Leveling Sand, or Horticultural Sand (sift out fine silt)
1 Part:: Lump Charcoal - Break-up (crush larger pieces) (sift out fine silt)
1 Part: Lava-rock – (volcanic cinders or pumice) (crush larger pieces) (sift out fine silt)

my plants have new growth as we speak ...but it is still too early to haul them outside ... as the next few nights are predicted to be in upper 30's and low 40's ...
the last time I watered was Feb 12 (just before the deep freeze & 6" of snow) ....
my next watering - at 50 days - is April 3 ..
plants are doing fine ...the caudex on all plants are firm ...alls good



ocsdfw
Mar 22, 2021 4:46 PM CST
Got it watered and have it in a sunny window. Now I will just wait for it to get warmer outside and go from there. What kind of rocks are these you have in this pot.
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Name: James
North Louisiana (Zone 8b)
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Region: Louisiana Region: Gulf Coast Enjoys or suffers hot summers Critters Allowed Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Container Gardener
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deepsouth
Mar 22, 2021 5:11 PM CST

Its polished black lava...AKA: aquarium substrate ...sometimes just called gravel ...about pea sized ...

can find it, and tons of other types, just about anywhere that sells aquariums, aquarium fish or aquarium plants ...

the bigger the store, the bigger the selection

ocsdfw
Mar 22, 2021 6:09 PM CST
OK, that's what I thought it was. I like the look over larger stones. Looks nice in your plant but does not cover it up as much as larger rocks.
Name: James
North Louisiana (Zone 8b)
Adeniums Cactus and Succulents Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Growing under artificial light Ferns Garden Photography
Region: Louisiana Region: Gulf Coast Enjoys or suffers hot summers Critters Allowed Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Container Gardener
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deepsouth
Mar 22, 2021 6:25 PM CST

My preference is poultry grit (crushed white granite w/ black streaks) ... you see it in almost all my smaller pots ....
it changes a "translucent white" when pot gets water making it easy to see what has been watered and what hasn't



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