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Mar 16, 2021 2:06 PM CST
Fairfax VA (Zone 7a)
Sedums Sempervivums Hybridizer Region: Virginia Houseplants Cactus and Succulents
Garden Procrastinator Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Garden Photography Tropicals Native Plants and Wildflowers Miniature Gardening
Pros:
1. They are beautiful
2. They don't need lots of water
3. They colonize beautifully
4. Many sizes
5. They don't come true from seed
6. Relatively small
7. Fits into wood frames quite nicely.
8. Many colors
9. Many textures
10. Easy to find
11. You can use them in easy-to-maintain container designs
12. a totally legal addiction. Not frowned upon by society.
13. Have good interest nearly year-round
14. Easy to propagate with cuttings.
15. Newer, more consistent, prettier, hardier sempervivum are coming up at greater speeds!

Cons:
1. You get addicted to them.
2. They are difficult to grow in desert conditions (dry and hot).
3. Many can be difficult to grow in high heat with high humidity, sometimes they rot in low humidity too!!
4. Need lots of light
5. Don't like cold and wet environments.
6. picking off dead lower leaves is a pain
7. Squirrels, birds, and worms like to play pickleball with them.
8. Blooming can sometimes quickly kill a WHOLE mini-colony!

Not Pro, Not Con:
Mutant semps will one day rise up, form a gang, attack their caregivers, form a one world order system of government and attempt to take over the world

Anything else we should add on to here???
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I'm probably wearing crocs, intensely taking photos of plants.

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Mar 16, 2021 2:12 PM CST
Romania, Mures (Zone 6b)
Region: Europe Roses Sedums Sempervivums
Very important they need light otherwise they etiolate, lose color, curl back and elongate.
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Mar 16, 2021 2:36 PM CST
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Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
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Cons:
They are difficult to grow in desert conditions (dry and hot).
Many can be difficult to grow in high heat with high humidity.

Pro:
Many sizes
Many colors
Many textures
Easy to find
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Mar 16, 2021 3:24 PM CST
Name: Connie
Willamette Valley OR (Zone 8a)
Forum moderator Region: Pacific Northwest Sedums Sempervivums Lilies Hybridizer
Plant Database Moderator I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Charter ATP Member Pollen collector Plant Identifier Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Pro:
You can use them in easy-to-maintain container designs
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Mar 16, 2021 3:31 PM CST
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
Container Gardener Foliage Fan Sempervivums Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Garden Ideas: Master Level
Hoping that Dirt doesn't mind that I re-posted a pic of her project to include in the "Pro" column...(I apologize in advance for once again reminding others about your green thumb, Dirt)

Pro:
Fits into wood frames quite nicely.

Thumb of 2018-03-17/dirtdorphins/b7ef66

Thumb of 2021-03-16/webesemps/d0857c
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Mar 16, 2021 3:48 PM CST
Fairfax VA (Zone 7a)
Sedums Sempervivums Hybridizer Region: Virginia Houseplants Cactus and Succulents
Garden Procrastinator Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Garden Photography Tropicals Native Plants and Wildflowers Miniature Gardening
Pros:
1. They are beautiful
2. They don't need lots of water
3. They colonize beautifully
4. Many sizes
5. They don't come true from seed
6. Relatively small
7. Fits into wood frames quite nicely.
8. Many colors
9. Many textures
10. Easy to find
11. You can use them in easy-to-maintain container designs

Cons:
1. You get addicted to them.
2. They are difficult to grow in desert conditions (dry and hot).
3. Many can be difficult to grow in high heat with high humidity.
4. Need lots of light
Photo Deposit
I'm probably wearing crocs, intensely taking photos of plants.

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Mar 16, 2021 5:07 PM CST
Mpls (Zone 4b)
Mutant semps will one day rise up, form a gang, attack their caregivers, form a one world order system of government and attempt to take over the world (not sure whether this is a pro or con).
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Mar 16, 2021 6:32 PM CST
Moderator
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level
Rolling on the floor laughing
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Mar 16, 2021 7:18 PM CST
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
Container Gardener Foliage Fan Sempervivums Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Garden Ideas: Master Level
Gee, I hope not...I'd like for them to get into those frames whether they like it or not (fingers crossed that they will like it...)
And if they do rise, gang and attack, I'll blame Kevin, Lynn, Jo Ann, Sol, Chris, Sue, Ed, etc.
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Mar 16, 2021 10:10 PM CST
Name: Kevin Vaughn
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
No worries for me Bev, I'm breeding pacifists. Hey I could do a whole series of "Pacifists" like 'Pacifist Big Six -Six' and 'Pacifist Bev's Bumps'. OK I worked too hard in the yard today, my mind is obviously fried........ That series name might be a little too close to another series too.......

Kevin
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Mar 16, 2021 10:55 PM CST
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
Container Gardener Foliage Fan Sempervivums Photo Contest Winner: 2014 Garden Ideas: Master Level
That guy doesn't have anything close to the 'Bump' one; You got one up on him!
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Mar 16, 2021 11:32 PM CST
Name: Sol Zimmerdahl
Portland, Oregon (Zone 8b)
Container Gardener Garden Art Sempervivums
Fun thread Alex,
here's a con for you, they don't like being cold and wet either.

Au contraire John,
The care givers will undoubtedly be elevated to the most luxurious status this new semp society you speak of can afford them Hilarious!
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Mar 22, 2021 6:38 PM CST
Name: Melissa Hopper
St. Helens, Or (Zone 8a)
Semp addict horse junky dog flunky
Garden Photography Critters Allowed Dog Lover Keeps Horses Hummingbirder Region: Oregon
Sempervivums Enjoys or suffers cold winters
Pro: a totally legal addiction. Not frowned upon by society.

Cons: working on that. I know! I know! Having to pick off the dead under leaves!
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Mar 22, 2021 6:43 PM CST
Fairfax VA (Zone 7a)
Sedums Sempervivums Hybridizer Region: Virginia Houseplants Cactus and Succulents
Garden Procrastinator Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Garden Photography Tropicals Native Plants and Wildflowers Miniature Gardening
Good one!
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I'm probably wearing crocs, intensely taking photos of plants.

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Mar 22, 2021 8:20 PM CST
Moderator
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level
Good ones Melinda.
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Apr 4, 2021 9:20 PM CST
Mpls (Zone 4b)
'I'll show you my Sempervivum if you show me your Sempervivum' is an effective pick-up line in my square dancing club.
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Apr 5, 2021 8:56 AM CST
Moderator
Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level
Rolling on the floor laughing
Love that one Johnmonno
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Apr 25, 2021 7:34 PM CST
Name: Critter (Jill)
Frederick, MD (Zone 6b)
We're all learners, doers, teachers
Charter ATP Member Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Critters Allowed Butterflies Hummingbirder Cat Lover
Bee Lover Region: Mid-Atlantic Cottage Gardener Garden Photography Tropicals Hibiscus
I re-read the sticky with all the great information on the how & why of good growing conditions... refreshed my memory on CAM photosynthesis and realized why semps aren't working in my hot, dry, sunny "rock garden"... they just don't seem like a plant that would relish afternoon shade, but they do! I'm going to move a few to the front walkway and see how that works out.

Con
Squirrels like to play pickleball with them.
I'm learning to dance in the rain. Thank you, Sally & Chris & Sharon.
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Apr 26, 2021 2:26 PM CST
Name: Heidi
Denver CO (Zone 5b)
Bee Lover Cactus and Succulents Region: Colorado
Great thread, TY!

I would say a "con" is that some of them like to rot, even in our hot and dry weather! Do we have a "rotter" thread somewhere?

Also the blooming can be a pain, when the whole plant including babies bloom, and bam, end of semp colony.

The pros far outweigh the cons though!
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Apr 27, 2021 10:36 AM CST
Name: Critter (Jill)
Frederick, MD (Zone 6b)
We're all learners, doers, teachers
Charter ATP Member Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Critters Allowed Butterflies Hummingbirder Cat Lover
Bee Lover Region: Mid-Atlantic Cottage Gardener Garden Photography Tropicals Hibiscus
The squirrel thing accounts for the loss of way too many painstakingly chosen and specially ordered new plants. For anybody with the same issue, I only quite recently read a suggestion to pin a wire basket on top of the new plant. D'Oh! Once it starts forming a colony, it's pretty safe from the pickleball-playing, nest-building enthusiasts.

John, I want to join your square dancing club!

I can plant 2 new chicks in the same dollar store planter -- same mix, same large drainage holes, same conditions of wherever I put the planter... one will thrive and the other will slowly turn to mush or dry up (if not stolen by squirrels). Is "persnickety" just a semp thing, or is it me? If me, never mind. If a "semp thing," it's definitely a con!

My favorite "pro" is probably the ever-changing display of leaf color & markings. I want to take new photos almost daily. I think that one has already been listed as good interest year-round.

Semp addiction gives rise to a whole different subspecies of gardening enthusiasts. I don't think I'm a member, more just generally plant-addicted, but I do admire dedicated semp growers and breeders!! Thx for a fun thread. Lovey dubby
I'm learning to dance in the rain. Thank you, Sally & Chris & Sharon.

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