Roses forum→Youtube on losing uncommon roses forever

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Name: aka Annie
WA-rural 8a to (Zone 7b)
Sandsock
Mar 17, 2021 10:52 AM CST
Just thought I would post this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?..., because he has some really unusual thoughts on why some of the uncommon roses might become "lost."

What do you think? I know many people have very limited space and can only have a few, others get to have more options. What are your thoughts?
Name: aka Annie
WA-rural 8a to (Zone 7b)
Sandsock
Mar 17, 2021 10:55 AM CST
He also lists an ARS youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?... Which is very interesting! On where the rose industry is headed.

Finally there is one on David Austin roses for the Santa Clara Rose Soc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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Name: seil
St Clair Shores, MI (Zone 6a)
Roses Garden Photography Region: Michigan
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seilMI
Mar 17, 2021 11:28 AM CST
I did see this on Facebook. There are a lot of roses falling out of commerce unfortunately. There are also many people, like Beth, who are trying to save some of those by passing around cuttings. It isn't going to save them all bur it's a start.
United Kingdom
Growmore
Mar 17, 2021 3:45 PM CST
My reply on another forum.

Hi Logan. Many thanks for posting that video. As you know, I am a rosarian, so anything roses gets my attention. It is sad that many 'old roses' are no longer available. Rose breeding used to take around twelve years from start to marketing a new variety. This period has been reduced. However a new rose can enter the market and can end up being a total failure moneywise. In today's market, money counts. So although a rose may be fab, if it doesn't bring in the money, it goes.

Then gardeners also come and go, and often their roses also go. There is in the UK a rose breeder/nursery. Peter Beales. Sadly the family have passed away except for the son. Peter started a collection of classic roses some years ago. Also as mentioned in the video, many garden clubs have gone. If only we could regenerate the following once again and attempt to find some of these old rose. After all. The rose was much loved back in the Egyptian era.
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Name: Christine
Ontario,🇨🇦 (Zone 5a)
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MeadowDreamer
May 5, 2021 2:12 PM CST
Just a beginner gardener here. Such a shame wonderful roses are lost. A while back, here in Canada, White Rose closed. It was a plant and craft store/franchise. Wonderful. They bred so many of their own roses. It was a large operation, stores and nursery farms in many locations. The varieties were fabulous. When it went out of business (from long competition), I wondered what happened to all those varieties. Just gone except for those who bought them over the years? Do varieties, especially very well regarded types that are very successful ( to grow and sell), get bought by some company to continue? The rights? I am not sure how that works...They had many that were bred to not only be beautiful, but be successful in our Canadian gardens. They had so many truly unique stuff too. Hard to believe they just disappear. Anyone know what happens with that?
Thanks and happy gardening! Smiling
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
May 5, 2021 2:58 PM CST
Sometimes they are given/sold to other nurseries/growers.

schrammd
May 9, 2021 12:43 PM CST
If you are not familiar with The Friends of Vintage Roses, you should be if you're interested in old rose preservation. As board members we strive to preserve the largest collection of old and rare roses in the United States. No one sells some of them anywhere in the world. Several times a year we have an online sale--one just ended. While the main collection is in Sebastopol, CA, we have curators of certain classes of roses in other parts of the state as well as back East. Check out the website. And join, if you really are interested in this preservation.

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