Plant Database forum: Geranium sanguineum lancastriense

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Name: Jonna
Belgium, Europe (Zone 6a)
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JonnaSudenius
Jan 13, 2013 1:11 PM CST
This Geranium is in the database as G. versicolor lancastriense???

http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-2823477
http://www.catalogueoflife.org/col/search/all/key/geranium+l...

Name: Kent Pfeiffer
Southeast Nebraska (Zone 5b)
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KentPfeiffer
Jan 13, 2013 1:58 PM CST

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You're correct. It should be listed as a synonym of G. sanguineum. I'll get it fixed. Thanks!
Name: Jonna
Belgium, Europe (Zone 6a)
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JonnaSudenius
Jan 13, 2013 2:12 PM CST
Thank you Kent.

I have a question. I'm just an amateur, but I have Geranium sanguineum
Name: Jonna
Belgium, Europe (Zone 6a)
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I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Seed Starter Plant and/or Seed Trader Salvias Herbs Cut Flowers
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JonnaSudenius
Jan 13, 2013 2:18 PM CST
Something went wrong:

I have G. sanguineum , see http://seedsite.eu/images/Foto's/geranium%20sanguineum3.jpg

and I have G. sanguineum lancastriense (see picture) Thumb of 2013-01-13/JonnaSudenius/cf0b99

The G. sanguineum is much higher and has a different color of pink than the G. sanguineum ' lancastriense'
How can gardeners know about which plant we are talking about if they have the same name, but a completely different appearance?

Name: Kent Pfeiffer
Southeast Nebraska (Zone 5b)
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KentPfeiffer
Jan 13, 2013 4:27 PM CST

Plants Admin

Nothing went wrong, G. lancastriense and G. sanguineum var. lancastriense are synonyms of G. sanguineum according to both of the sources you referenced in your original post. That's exactly how it is shown in the database.
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jan 13, 2013 4:54 PM CST
Looks to be another one of those plants that have been lumped together. All are G. sanguineum, but have different bloom colors and petal styles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geranium_sanguineum
Name: Kent Pfeiffer
Southeast Nebraska (Zone 5b)
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KentPfeiffer
Jan 13, 2013 5:14 PM CST

Plants Admin

Yeah, wild species of plants tend to show quite a bit of variation among individuals. That's part of the joy of growing them.
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jan 13, 2013 5:25 PM CST
I see why they sometimes give an added name for variations with the species. Just don't understand why they end up lumping them together.
Especially if each comes true to the parent plant from seed.
Name: Kent Pfeiffer
Southeast Nebraska (Zone 5b)
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KentPfeiffer
Jan 13, 2013 5:46 PM CST

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Because coming true from from seed isn't the standard for defining a species or even a variety. For example, Penstemon angustifolius plants normally produce blue flowers, but you can sometimes find white flowered individuals. In this species, white flowers are a recessive trait so if you grow white flowered plants in your garden and they are either self fertilized or fertilized by another white flowered individual, 100% of the seedlings will produce white flowers, i.e. they "come true" from seed. That doesn't make them a separate species or even variety. It's just part of the natural variation within the species.
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
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valleylynn
Jan 13, 2013 6:09 PM CST
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