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Mar 22, 2021 10:31 PM CST
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Nathaniel, everywhere I look it is Mint Marvel is shown as 'Mrs. Giuseppi'. Here in our database, Sempervivum-Liste.de and Mountain Crest Gardens also sells it under both the Mint Marvel name and on the back of the tag it is 'Mrs. Giuseppi'.
@goldfinch4 Chris do you still have that one? If so what does your tag show?

Here we go again. I wonder who it is that has registered that trade name? SUPERSEMP®
Found it:
https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin...
https://planthaven.com/
https://planthaven.com/?s=semp...
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Mar 22, 2021 10:57 PM CST
Name: Julia
Washington State (Zone 7a)
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I did send Plant Haven an email Sunday inquiring about the supersemps. Not heard anything yet.
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Mar 22, 2021 11:01 PM CST
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Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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At least we now know where this new trade mark is coming from.
Let us know if you hear anything Julia.
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Mar 23, 2021 5:47 AM CST
Fairfax VA Home depot (Zone 7a)
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I don't know if this will help, but I did find a few videos -- including a 360 sempervivum view video thingy?!? (why???)


I don't know why Onyx is the only one with a 360 view video thing
It does give you lots of detail on the Onyx one, on the leaves and such -- and the two or so stolons:
https://vimeo.com/451727393

Here is Plant Havens video on the supersemps:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
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Mar 23, 2021 6:11 AM CST
Romania, Mures (Zone 6b)
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sedumzz said:
Here is Plant Havens video on the supersemps:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...



Very interesting "pineapple"/ "open pine cone" / "ball mace" growth.

Seems they got their substrate, fertilizer and light amount recipe set.
Can't say I am fan of of the look, but I am surely intrigued about what they do to the sempervivum to look like that.


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Mar 23, 2021 6:21 AM CST
Name: Nathaniel
IN (Zone 6b)
valleylynn said:Nathaniel, everywhere I look it is Mint Marvel is shown as 'Mrs. Giuseppi'. Here in our database, Sempervivum-Liste.de and Mountain Crest Gardens also sells it under both the Mint Marvel name and on the back of the tag it is 'Mrs. Giuseppi'.
@goldfinch4 Chris do you still have that one? If so what does your tag show?

Here we go again. I wonder who it is that has registered that trade name? SUPERSEMP®
Found it:
https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin...
https://planthaven.com/
https://planthaven.com/?s=semp...


Here is a picture of the new tag. Does anyone have an older tag for comparison?

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Mar 23, 2021 10:06 AM CST
Name: Sharen
Hollidaysburg PA (Zone 6b)
I found both of my original tags. The plants looked different too.

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Mar 23, 2021 10:30 AM CST
Name: Nathaniel
IN (Zone 6b)
I wonder if they changed the plant they were using since one is more hardy.
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Mar 23, 2021 10:32 AM CST
Name: Nathaniel
IN (Zone 6b)
Dbfarmgirl said:I found both of my original tags. The plants looked different too.

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When did you get the newer one? I got some last year but want to make sure I separate them if needed.
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Mar 23, 2021 10:53 AM CST
Name: Sharen
Hollidaysburg PA (Zone 6b)
I bought both last year. semps don't sell well at some greenhouses here so it could have been there for years. The top tag is very brittle so I'm guessing older. I would take a photo of the two plants together but one type is pretty much gone, not sure if it will make it back.
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Mar 23, 2021 12:15 PM CST
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Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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Here is what I did:
Both 'Sir William Lawrence' and 'Mrs. Giuseppi' have the information "Also sold as" Chick Charms® Mint Marvel™

What a mess. Sighing!

Thank you Sharen and Nathaniel for your help with this. Group hug
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Mar 23, 2021 9:44 PM CST
Name: Sol Zimmerdahl
Portland, Oregon (Zone 8b)
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Yeah sounds like the two cultivars aren't dissimilar enough that they couldn't get away with the switch. I'm just glad that they went to the effort of changing the back of the label when they swapped cultivars.

Is it just me or does Onix look like 'Borscht'? Not a ton of wavy-leaved 8" near blacks out there!
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Mar 24, 2021 12:29 AM CST
Name: Jo Ann
Washington State (Zone 7a)
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Google search SuperSemps.
Second heading on Google for Plant Haven then search Onyx. In the description it says that the origin is Germany. but nothing more.
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Mar 24, 2021 5:46 AM CST
Fairfax VA Home depot (Zone 7a)
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Not sure if this helps with the Onyx identification, but here is a large photo of Onyx i found on pintrest:

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/...

Using the vimeo 360 thing i think you should have a full coverage of the whole plant
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Mar 24, 2021 7:24 AM CST
Romania, Mures (Zone 6b)
Region: Europe Roses Sedums Sempervivums
GeologicalForms said:Yeah sounds like the two cultivars aren't dissimilar enough that they couldn't get away with the switch. I'm just glad that they went to the effort of changing the back of the label when they swapped cultivars.

Is it just me or does Onix look like 'Borscht'? Not a ton of wavy-leaved 8" near blacks out there!


It also gave me some 'Borscht' vibes when I first saw it.
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Mar 24, 2021 9:30 AM CST
Name: Kevin Vaughn
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
I guess my 12" semps will have to be Super Duper semps!

Yeah Onyx struck me as something similar to 'Waternark King' or 'Borscht' too. Oh well, imitation is the highest form of flattery, right?

Kevin
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Mar 24, 2021 9:34 AM CST
Romania, Mures (Zone 6b)
Region: Europe Roses Sedums Sempervivums
JungleShadows said:
Yeah Onyx struck me as something similar to 'Waternark King' or 'Borscht' too. Oh well, imitation is the highest form of flattery, right?


If it brings joy, sure, if it cuts food from the table, not really.
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Mar 25, 2021 2:20 AM CST
Name: Chris
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Lynn, I've had 'Sir William Lawrence' for years, I never had 'Mrs. Giuseppi' or 'Mint Marvel'. Yes I agree, what a mess.

Julia, did you ever hear back from Plant Haven?
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Mar 25, 2021 5:51 AM CST
Name: Julia
Washington State (Zone 7a)
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No, nothing yet. I called yesterday, the message on the phone said that the office is closed do to COVID. Mail box is full so couldn't leave a message. They give a cell phone number for urgent inquiries. I'll try that next week if no email.
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Mar 25, 2021 9:46 AM CST
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Name: Lynn
Oregon City, OR (Zone 8b)
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Okay, I found out that Mint Marvel went from 'Mrs. Giuseppi' to 'Sir William Lawrence' because of rot problems in 'Mrs. Giuseppi'. I'm not sure when the switch took place. Shrug!

Thank you Chris (goldfinch4) for the reply.

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