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Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
Charter ATP Member Dog Lover Cat Lover Keeper of Poultry Keeps Horses I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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porkpal
Apr 5, 2021 11:03 AM CST
It looks like you've done a lot!
Porkpal
NW Washington Islands (Zone 8b)
Region: Pacific Northwest Roses Organic Gardener
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IslandGarden
Apr 5, 2021 11:26 AM CST
porkpal said:It looks like you've done a lot!


Thank You!
My back sure feels like I've done a lot Hilarious!
NW Washington Islands (Zone 8b)
Region: Pacific Northwest Roses Organic Gardener
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IslandGarden
Apr 12, 2021 9:24 AM CST
I didn't do much with the roses this weekend. Picked off leaves with BS and cleaned up some wind debris. The noid pale pink and red miniatures, along with Lemon Zest seem like BS magnets Thumbs down

Adobe Sunrise
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Alfred Sisley
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Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Apr 12, 2021 9:35 AM CST
I've noticed that, too, with my grocery store minis and with a lot of the minis at the garden where I volunteer. And not just blackspot, but powdery mildew and rust and aphids and whitefles.. They are a mess. Now I understand why they are normally pruned low and stripped of all their leaves when they are winter pruned. Minis must be more prone. Maybe the mini industry, especially if it's headed for grocery stores figures most of them will be thrown out once the bloom is gone, so they don't care whether they are disease-prone or not.
Name: seil
St Clair Shores, MI (Zone 6a)
Roses Garden Photography Region: Michigan
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seilMI
Apr 12, 2021 9:52 AM CST
That's very true, Rosemary. Also, minis tend to grow lower to the ground so when watered they get a lot more soil splashed up on them. The spores are in the soil and when mixed with water...voila, BS! Or whatever else is lurking in there.
NW Washington Islands (Zone 8b)
Region: Pacific Northwest Roses Organic Gardener
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IslandGarden
Apr 19, 2021 8:19 AM CST
Well I have been down for the count with a back injury this past week and pretty much all that I have been capable of is watering and taking pictures. In a sense, it has been good because it's letting me see which roses are really being over run by the " fungus amongst us".
Adobe Sunrise
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Noid Red Miniature
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Drop Dead Red - and what's up with the weird new growth??
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And not a fungus but something is causing Duc de Fitzjames to be droopy. It has been watered the same amount as all the roses. Anyone have thoughts/ideas?
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The weather has been dry and much warmer (high 70s) than usual for us but I would think that would be a good thing for roses Shrug!

NW Washington Islands (Zone 8b)
Region: Pacific Northwest Roses Organic Gardener
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IslandGarden
Apr 29, 2021 9:19 AM CST
Here is the one month report card:
( rated 1-5)


Fragrant Cloud - HT - bare root (grafted) - 2 stars - it basically looks the same; no disease
Alfred Sisley - Shrub - potted (grafted) - 5 stars - very nice growth and very healthy looking
Marie Pavie - Polyantha - potted (own root) - 2.5 stars - just starting to show some growth; no disease
The Bishop - Centifollia (own root) - 4 stars - a few buds; slow growth but no disease
Guirlande d' Amour - Hybrid Musk (own root) - 5 stars - this thing is a beast, very healthy looking and growing like crazy
Tintinara - HT (own root) - 3 stars - nice leafy out but very little growth; minor BS
White Licorice - HT (own root)* - 3 stars - slow grower; minor BS
La France - HT (own root) - 4 stars - slow grower, 1 bud; no disease
Duc de Fitzjames - Centifollia (own root) - 3.5 stars - some growth and few buds, continues to be droopy; no disease
Cornelia - Hybrid Musk (own root) - 4 stars; many buds but slow growth; no disease
Lemon Zest - Ground cover (own root) - 2.5 stars; first to show BS this season but so far it's minor - slow growth
2 Drop Dead Red - floribunda (grafted)- 2 stars; BS magnet but they continue to grow and get new foliage - a few buds
Marie Callas/Miss All-American Beauty - HT (grafted) - 1.5 stars - many buds but almost completely defoliated from BS
Pale Pink miniature/noid and Red miniature noid- no stars - completely defoliated from BS and also has PM
Bi-color white & pink miniature/noid - 4 stars - amazing growth (I think this might be a climber); no disease
Adobe Sunset - Floribunda - 2.5 stars - 1 bud; major BS
Bolero - Floribunda - 2 stars; no buds and some BS (I think this one may have suffered root damage in the move - it's usually more of a 4 star rose for me)
**Campfire - Floribunda - moved later to garden from pot - 4 stars; good growth; no disease (I just love this little rose - no matter where it has lived in my yard, it's a real trooper)

It's been warmer and dryer than usual here and the NOAA long range forecast through July calls for the same so, in theory, it should be a good rose climate for a few months at least. Thumbs up
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
Charter ATP Member Dog Lover Cat Lover Keeper of Poultry Keeps Horses I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Level 2 Plant Identifier Raises cows Roses Farmer Celebrating Gardening: 2015
porkpal
Apr 29, 2021 12:47 PM CST
Wow that's quite a list! So far so good.
Porkpal
NW Washington Islands (Zone 8b)
Region: Pacific Northwest Roses Organic Gardener
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IslandGarden
May 30, 2021 9:52 AM CST
May update - as far as the weather goes, it's been a mixed bag. Warmer than usual by a few degrees with a couple of cooler than usual and quite wet days. The rainfall we did have was limited to a few days versus the normal more light rain over many days.
The Bishop - loving this rose. The camera does not do it justice.
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Adobe Sunrise - continues to struggle with BS. One bloom so far this season and no current buds.
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Marie Pavie - this rose has been a pleasant surprise. It was basically 3 little twigs when I planted it in April
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Guirlande d'Amour - holy cow this rose is going to need an obelisk or something. It's spread is phenomenal. It's covered in tiny little buds.
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Alfred Sisley - another surprising grower. Looking forward to masses of striped blooms.
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White Licorice - what can I say? Struggling with BS - no buds yet
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Fragrant Cloud - so far disease free but very minimal growth. It was a bagged big box store rose Shrug!
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Cornelia - she's lovely enough for 2 photos
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Tintinara - some nice new growth but alas no buds
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Duc de Fitzjames - woke up to squirrel damage. That bud was ready to bloom Grumbling
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That's all for this month. The rest of the roses can wait for a June photo-shoot Smiling

Name: Arturo Tarak
Bariloche,Rio Negro, Argentina (Zone 8a)
Roses Dahlias Irises Plant Lover: Loves 'em all!
hampartsum
Jun 2, 2021 4:05 PM CST
@IslandGarden I just recognized you in this thread as well as the general oceanic climate thread. So I'll post my comments specific about roses here instead. I've yet to go through your rose listing much more in detail, so I'll be back in a few days.

Arturo
Name: aka Annie
WA-rural 8a to (Zone 7b)
Sandsock
Jun 8, 2021 9:06 AM CST
White licorice I have is grafted on standard and has no BS, but is on the porch, so no rain either.

I lost one Fragrant Cloud own root...just never did well even in ground. My new Fragrant Cloud (own root) is seriously struggling, but I just realized that I up potted it and used horrible stuff that was sold to me as potting soil used by one of the best nurseries around...it is heavy and does not drain, but I had forgotten using it on that rose. We will see if it does any better.
NW Washington Islands (Zone 8b)
Region: Pacific Northwest Roses Organic Gardener
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IslandGarden
Jun 8, 2021 9:48 AM CST
@sandsock - I saw your photo of 'White Licorice' and was quite jealous! Mine has new basal growth that is looking healthy but the rest of the plant - blech. 'Fragrant Cloud' was a body bag impulse purchase (grafted). I saw it and remembered it was listed as doing well in the PNW. Shrug! Of the other two HTs - 'La France' is still small and scraggly - produced one bloom and no other buds at this point and 'Tintinara' has two buds and is looking better (both are own root).
I really believe HTs were bred for an ideal climate, which unfortunately isn't ours. Thank goodness there are thousands of other roses Hurray!
Name: aka Annie
WA-rural 8a to (Zone 7b)
Sandsock
Jun 8, 2021 10:51 PM CST
Mine is standard and I don't want to plant it because I like not having to bend down, since it would blow over in the wind...the protected porch it is.
NW Washington Islands (Zone 8b)
Region: Pacific Northwest Roses Organic Gardener
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IslandGarden
Jun 30, 2021 3:58 PM CST
It's time for the monthly review - and what a month it has been. I just checked my weather station and we have received .40 inches of rain - so less than 1/2 an inch for the month of June. And we topped out at 101f degrees two days ago.
The roses that have done the best in the test garden this month are 'Giurlande d'Amour', 'Bolero', 'Lemon Zest' and 'Alfred Sisley'.
'The Bishop' was a wonderful surprise and did well overall but it does not like the heat above mid 70s.
'Autumn Sunrise' made a nice comeback and may prove to be next months top rose.
Here are some photos:
Looking South
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'Lemon Zest'
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'Alfred Sisley' x2
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'Autumn Sunrise'
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Noid red Minature
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'Bolero'
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'White Licorice'
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'Guirlande d'Amour'
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For the record
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Edited to add that 'La France', 'White Licorice', and 'Drop Dead Red' are still covered in BS. 'Fragrant Cloud' is finally growing albeit very slowly.
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NW Washington Islands (Zone 8b)
Region: Pacific Northwest Roses Organic Gardener
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IslandGarden
Sep 30, 2021 9:05 AM CST
July - no rain
Aug - no rain
Sept - 2 inches (and counting) of rain since the 13th

We got slammed at work with Delta variant cases in the beginning of July and seem to finally be at the light at the end of the tunnel. How is that related to the test garden?? Since my job (for the last 18 months) has turned into contact tracing and everything else that goes along with that, the test garden barely had any attention other than weekly watering. Heck, nothing got any attention, other than work.

So who survived and who thrived with very minimal attention:

The worst case: 'La France'. I'm not sure if I received a weak band or if it just a weak rose. It is a pitiful tiny little plant. The few blooms it had blew within a day or two - even with warm sunny calm days.

Next up: 'Drop Dead Red'. Both plants continued with their BS drop and regrowth all summer. The blooms are beautiful but they also blow quickly both on the plant and in a vase.

'White Licorice' - I really want to love this rose. The blooms smell wonderful and they do last a few days on the plant and in a vase. The plant itself very BS prone and slow growing. I've seen healthy plants from others here so I'm holding out hope.

The surprise: 'Maria Callas' (aka Miss All American Beauty) - went from a bare (from BS) plant to a nice healthy looking little bush. Huge fragrant blooms with some lasting quality. I'll hold out some hope for it to continue to thrive.

'Fragrant Cloud' finally bloomed (one bloom) in August. It was a nice bloom, with good fragrance. Hoping it lives up to it's reputation in future seasons.

'Alfred Sisley' had many blooms and a nice second flush but is now covered in BS.

The real standouts have been 'Tintinara' and 'Adobe Sunrise'. Fragrant, healthy, good second flush and the blooms last a long time both on the plant and in a vase.

All the rest are doing well and of course, Campfire never disappoints.

Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
Charter ATP Member Dog Lover Cat Lover Keeper of Poultry Keeps Horses I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Level 2 Plant Identifier Raises cows Roses Farmer Celebrating Gardening: 2015
porkpal
Sep 30, 2021 10:56 AM CST
I would call your test garden a success!
Porkpal
Name: aka Annie
WA-rural 8a to (Zone 7b)
Sandsock
Oct 14, 2021 12:54 PM CST
IslandGarden...Have you tried drip or soaker hoses on a timer? I used them first in CA and wow, what a time and plant saver!

I also just read a Tacoma Rosarian's post that he has had many of his grafted roses (like Fragrant Cloud) last for 15 years or more and do just as well as own root. I thought that was very helpful to know for our area.

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