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Apr 1, 2021 10:27 PM CST
Maryland (Zone 7a)
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Which peony, Itoh, herbaceous, tree, species etc. is the darkest? I've seen that title applies to Chief Black Hawk, Bob & Black Swan.

I'm curious as to what people consider to be the closest to black. I'm hoping there is someone growing at least 2 out of the three. New nominations would be exciting too. I hope this thread isn't already in existence! I'm not trying to choose between the three, just wondering as to colouring since photographs are so tricky and bloom colour varies so much with time of day, growing conditions etc! I expect it is to a degree a matter of opinion.
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Apr 2, 2021 2:54 AM CST
Name: Gary Ray
Ohio (Zone 6a)
My darkest in North Carolina were Black Beauty (herbaceous) and tree peony Hephestos from Adelman's.
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Apr 2, 2021 3:22 AM CST
Name: Laurie
southeast Nebraska (Zone 5b)
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I've been thinking about getting Dark Eyes:
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Apr 2, 2021 3:29 AM CST
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Name: LG
Nashvillle (Zone 7a)
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I saw Black Panther at the 2019 convention, and it was the darkest I have seen. Of course, it was cut and opened inside. I planted it and Hesphestos this past Fall and both have buds, so hopefully they will bloom out and I can see how dark they are in the garden.
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Apr 2, 2021 7:35 AM CST
Maryland (Zone 7a)
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Hoping to see pics LG!
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Apr 2, 2021 8:08 PM CST
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Name: LG
Nashvillle (Zone 7a)
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Here is the photo from the Convention.

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Apr 2, 2021 8:26 PM CST
Name: Laurie
southeast Nebraska (Zone 5b)
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Amazing!
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Apr 2, 2021 9:09 PM CST
Maryland (Zone 7a)
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Dahlias Cut Flowers Cat Lover Region: Canadian Garden Photography Butterflies
OMG! I didn't think they could get that dark! That one's a tree peony?
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Apr 2, 2021 9:13 PM CST

The dark peony on flower show is a bit mis-leading. It became darker than in real life after come out of refrigerator.
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Apr 2, 2021 10:30 PM CST
Maryland (Zone 7a)
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Does that happen in the garden if you have a cool spell (but above freezing) after opening? I know many peonies fade but I hadn't considered if some might darken.
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Apr 3, 2021 6:43 AM CST
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Name: Liz Best
Elizabeth Colorado (Zone 4b)
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I have late freezes every year, had a blizzard Father's Day weekend last year, and have never seen peonies as dark as those cut and refrigerated in the garden. There is a little difference depending on when the cold is but nothing that dramatic.
What's the really dark Saunder's tree peony? Darker than Black Panther? Think Craig got it last year...that's the darkest one I've ever seen. I don't have a lot of dark peonies as the pictures of the pinks and whites appeal to me more, have to see the reds and darker colors IRL to judge whether it's something I'd like to grow, peony-wise. Weird I know because just about every other flower I love the dark ones, I have probably 30 different near black irises and I drool over the dark hellebore pics.
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Apr 3, 2021 12:58 PM CST
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Name: LG
Nashvillle (Zone 7a)
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Are you thinking of Sable, Liz?

I just love all the colors. I was glad that we were at the convention together. I missed the fragrance of Ella Christiansen and Fern B, but you told me about them. I bought them both in 2019, and let's hope they bloom this year!!

Can't wait for the 2022 Convention as I will be retired then!!
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Apr 3, 2021 2:11 PM CST
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Name: Liz Best
Elizabeth Colorado (Zone 4b)
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It was Black Pirate, supposed to be darker than Black Panther. Craig shared a pic on FB.

I know! Really enjoyed the convention more with you there LG! Others that I've been at were wit non-peony enthusiasts, not nearly as much fun! The 2022 one will be in Ann Arbor MI and focused on the UofM historic peony garden's 100 year anniversary! Visited that garden several years ago, definitely looking forward to returning! Sure hope there are lots of member garden tours as well, those are the best!
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Apr 4, 2021 10:25 PM CST
Name: Sulli
Philadelphia (Zone 7a)
i have Hephestos and will hopefully have a bloom or two on Black Panther this year to compare. I think Heph is more burgundy than black but it's also hard to photograph as reds/purples are hard with digital cameras.
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Apr 5, 2021 3:25 AM CST
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Name: LG
Nashvillle (Zone 7a)
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Beautiful photos, Sulli! Both my Hesphestos and Black Panther from Adelmans have buds. Hopefully they will bloom out and I will post pix.
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Apr 5, 2021 5:35 AM CST
Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
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What a great color on these blooms, Sulli! I would love to see pics of your blooms, LG!

My Pluto TP finally shows some buds. I can post its pics when it blooms this spring. It is supposed to be a deep burgundy color.
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Sep 4, 2021 10:25 AM CST
Name: David
Youngstown, Ohio (Zone 6a)
Photo of Rockii Black Swan 2021
I wonder how long or difficult it will be to bloom double =).

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2 photos of Hephestos

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Sep 4, 2021 1:49 PM CST
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Name: LG
Nashvillle (Zone 7a)
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Very beautiful, David!
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Sep 4, 2021 10:50 PM CST
Name: Anya
Fairbanks, AK (Zone 3a)
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Very nice, David! Thanks for posting!
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Sep 17, 2021 1:42 PM CST
Name: David
Youngstown, Ohio (Zone 6a)
I saw a Japanese woody peony named Hatsugarasu aka First crow of the year aka Chu Wu, that looks fairly dark.
It had been on Cricket Hill, is on Chinapaeoniarockii, and Thepeonystore aka Idelwild.
I have not ordered from Chinapaeoniarockii, and the two I ordered from Idelwild have not bloomed yet, (one has rotted, so I wont be able to confirm the bloom for Dou Lu).
I do however like to look at the two websites for photos and names.

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