Pod, that would be Madalene Hill and her daughter, Gwen Barclay. One of the first "jobs" I had in Master Gardeners was to go to an Austin residence and snip herbs to root in the greenhouse to sell at the botanical garden festival. It was hot, and the garden was in full sun. We filled bags and bags with herbs. I remember all the scented geraniums that I just loved. The owner told us all these stories of the two ladies that she volunteered for at Round Top,TX. When we were through taking cuttings of everything she pointed out, she smiled and told us we had just "groomed" her herb beds for her! A couple of years later, Madalene and her daughter came to Austin and spoke to one of the garden clubs I belong to. They were interesting and entertaining! Madalene was clearly the authority on herbs. Gwen would get "cut off" frequently by her mom. I was sorry to hear of her passing in '09 and posted it on another website.