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Name: Stephen Power
Bayonne, NJ (Zone 7b)
power270lb
Apr 20, 2021 10:55 AM CST
Cut my desert rose because it was one long stem (it's been growing) but want more branches and ramification. Seen people use cinnamon to seal the cut and use plastic wrap. I used cinnamon (maria can't be wrong) but wondering where I should place the plant now. In the shade? Cover whole plant in a bag to increase humidity? As far as propogation of the cutting, how long should I wait to plant?
Name: James
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deepsouth
Apr 20, 2021 11:45 AM CST
you want the cut area to dry-out and harden over ...any humidity will prolong the drying process - and may cause mold & mildew instead ...air dry - in a shady spot

cinnamon is used as a very mild anti fungal powder - that wont kill the user in the process - it also "sops-up" plant sap

the top - same as bottom ..it too needs to dry out - depends on humidity / dew point of how long that will take ...if its super dry maybe 4-5 days ...if its humid 10 or more days ....

when dry / hardened / scabbed over it is time to root ........ rooting will take place faster in damp-sand ...at this stage - keep damp - but not dripping wet -
once rooted - give it 2-3 weeks - to grow a healthy root system - then repot in fast draining potting mix

wait awhile for more branches - top and bottom has just been severed - that's a lot of stress to recover from

to get more branching - and more stem tips ...cut off existing branches at about 1/2 way from main trunk- or cut off the last 2" or so ...this will force more branches to emerge .... you will get anywhere from 1 to 5 new branches ....for best survival of those new branches to survive .. pinch out any new leaves shading out other new branches

don't expect any results quickly - adenium respond to changes like molasses



Name: Stephen Power
Bayonne, NJ (Zone 7b)
power270lb
Apr 20, 2021 12:12 PM CST
deepsouth said:you want the cut area to dry-out and harden over ...any humidity will prolong the drying process - and may cause mold & mildew instead ...air dry - in a shady spot

cinnamon is used as a very mild anti fungal powder - that wont kill the user in the process - it also "sops-up" plant sap

the top - same as bottom ..it too needs to dry out - depends on humidity / dew point of how long that will take ...if its super dry maybe 4-5 days ...if its humid 10 or more days ....

when dry / hardened / scabbed over it is time to root ........ rooting will take place faster in damp-sand ...at this stage - keep damp - but not dripping wet -
once rooted - give it 2-3 weeks - to grow a healthy root system - then repot in fast draining potting mix

wait awhile for more branches - top and bottom has just been severed - that's a lot of stress to recover from

to get more branching - and more stem tips ...cut off existing branches at about 1/2 way from main trunk- or cut off the last 2" or so ...this will force more branches to emerge .... you will get anywhere from 1 to 5 new branches ....for best survival of those new branches to survive .. pinch out any new leaves shading out other new branches

don't expect any results quickly - adenium respond to changes like molasses





Lifesaver again bro much appreciated. So for the main plant, put in sun or shade? Cut I hypothetically cut the caudex at the top right below where it was grafted? I left about 5" of a stem.
Name: Stephen Power
Bayonne, NJ (Zone 7b)
power270lb
Apr 20, 2021 1:10 PM CST

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Safe to move into separate pots?
Name: James
North Louisiana (Zone 8b)
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deepsouth
Apr 20, 2021 1:12 PM CST

not a problem ..send ya a bill later Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing

can you upload pics of bottom ?
Name: Stephen Power
Bayonne, NJ (Zone 7b)
power270lb
Apr 20, 2021 1:16 PM CST
deepsouth said:
not a problem ..send ya a bill later Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing

can you upload pics of bottom ?


Haha send u some dogecoin 🚀

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Wasn't sure which bottom u were referring, I put up a seedling question asking if it's ok to move to separate pots. Some are close together
Name: James
North Louisiana (Zone 8b)
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deepsouth
Apr 20, 2021 1:18 PM CST

yep ...seedlings can go in a pot ....

do yourself a favor ...for each seedling ......start off with a 4" azalea pot ....unglazed Tera-cotta pots works best (aids in the evaporation of water) ..before potting up - add about an inch of rocks in the bottom of pot - will help with drainage and pot stability
Name: James
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deepsouth
Apr 20, 2021 1:21 PM CST
So for the main plant - the part in a pot ..... put in part sun for now ....should develop new growth with in days
Name: Stephen Power
Bayonne, NJ (Zone 7b)
power270lb
Apr 20, 2021 1:38 PM CST
deepsouth said:So for the main plant - the part in a pot ..... put in part sun for now ....should develop new growth with in days


Should I have cut it any lower? Don't have azalea pots but I have sand and rocks
Name: James
North Louisiana (Zone 8b)
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deepsouth
Apr 20, 2021 1:50 PM CST

no it looks good .... but a better reason not to cut any lower - is that in a few years, if you are not happy with the branching or branch spread - you can always remove it and start over.....by cutting just below where you are now

most shallow type pots are better for adenium ... azalea pots are just one type of shallow pot .... and what shallow pots do is force the roots outwards rather than downwards ....

every few years - lift the plant in its pot ...can do that now with your potted main plant

Name: Stephen Power
Bayonne, NJ (Zone 7b)
power270lb
Apr 21, 2021 7:59 AM CST
deepsouth said:
no it looks good .... but a better reason not to cut any lower - is that in a few years, if you are not happy with the branching or branch spread - you can always remove it and start over.....by cutting just below where you are now

most shallow type pots are better for adenium ... azalea pots are just one type of shallow pot .... and what shallow pots do is force the roots outwards rather than downwards ....

every few years - lift the plant in its pot ...can do that now with your potted main plant



I repotted recently into a wider and deeper pot with better medium, much faster draining. Is it too soon to raise it?
Name: James
North Louisiana (Zone 8b)
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deepsouth
Apr 21, 2021 8:39 AM CST

lifting is up to you ....it could wait a year - since the top was just cut off -

Usually - i will: repot, lift & prune all at the same time - early spring ....then the plant has all summer to recover ...they do okay, but that is about the "limit" I put them through for the entire year .... as it is too risky to do the same, say late summer or early autumn because there is no recovery time before the winter months
Name: Stephen Power
Bayonne, NJ (Zone 7b)
power270lb
Apr 25, 2021 5:07 AM CST
deepsouth said:
no it looks good .... but a better reason not to cut any lower - is that in a few years, if you are not happy with the branching or branch spread - you can always remove it and start over.....by cutting just below where you are now

most shallow type pots are better for adenium ... azalea pots are just one type of shallow pot .... and what shallow pots do is force the roots outwards rather than downwards ....

every few years - lift the plant in its pot ...can do that now with your potted main plant



I repotted recently into a wider and deeper pot with better medium, much faster draining. Is it too soon to raise it?
Name: Stephen Power
Bayonne, NJ (Zone 7b)
power270lb
Apr 25, 2021 5:09 AM CST
So it's been a week, no new shoots yet.

SGrunig
Apr 25, 2021 7:35 AM CST
New to Adeniums - How Can I Buy?

I just bought my first 2 Adenium Obesums ( Double Exhibition Red)
Love at first sight, but now a problem.

The Adeniums were a special offering at a Chandler, AZ grocery store.
Does anyone know where I can buy more?

(They seem perfect for a hot climate. Does anyone have growing tips for a desert location?)


Name: James
North Louisiana (Zone 8b)
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deepsouth
Apr 25, 2021 9:00 AM CST
power270lb said:So it's been a week, no new shoots yet.



may be several weeks ..... warmth is key

Name: James
North Louisiana (Zone 8b)
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deepsouth
Apr 25, 2021 9:26 AM CST
Welcome! to the adenium forums

This web site is more informational than retail ....check the "seed swaps" under the > Tools drop down menu above ...
Also check under Community menu above > Forums > Classifieds and Group Buys

Where to find Locally - check with plant nurseries - especially those nurseries that have desert plants (succulents and cactus) ....

also check with big box stores (that sell plants)

Another source is online & ebay ....think twice about ordering plants online ...may not get what you see - in the best condition ....shipping plants can damage plants beyond repair ....ordering seeds can be another option ...but they too may not be what was ordered

Care - short answer -

since plant is new ....Place in part sun for a few days to allow for plant to acclimate ....then move to full all day sun

water can kill adenium ...do not let plants sit in water -ever-

make sure pots have drainage holes

water once every 7-10 days when the outside temperature is in the 80's ...as temps climb into the 90's water once every 5 days ...100° water every 3 days


SGrunig
Apr 25, 2021 2:36 PM CST
deepsouth,

Thanks, so much.
You've provided me with a lot of valuable information.
I'm growing them outside in pots. The first weeks of July are like a blast furnace here. I'm guessing I may have to move them to a shadier location when the time comes.

Once again, thanks.
Name: James
North Louisiana (Zone 8b)
Adeniums Cactus and Succulents Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Growing under artificial light Ferns Garden Photography
Region: Louisiana Region: Gulf Coast Enjoys or suffers hot summers Critters Allowed Lover of wildlife (Black bear badge) Container Gardener
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deepsouth
Apr 25, 2021 2:46 PM CST

You are Welcome!

yep its a blast furnace out-there (find shade & drink lots of water)

there are a few desert arboretums near you check them out ...may get some ideas on what to shade and when

have lived on & off in AZ for a long time .... Flagstaff, Mogollon Rim, Casa Grande, Phoenix & Tucson
Name: Don
Phoenix AZ (Zone 13a)
Darwin101
Apr 25, 2021 5:46 PM CST
SGrunig said:New to Adeniums - How Can I Buy?

I just bought my first 2 Adenium Obesums ( Double Exhibition Red)
Love at first sight, but now a problem.

The Adeniums were a special offering at a Chandler, AZ grocery store.
Does anyone know where I can buy more?

(They seem perfect for a hot climate. Does anyone have growing tips for a desert location?)



If you're in the Phoenix metroplex area Lowes and Home Depot both carry Adeniums and Plumeria. I think they are around $26 for nice plants and $15 for small ones.



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