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Name: Holly
Baltimore, MD (Zone 7b)
GardenDreaming
Apr 25, 2021 12:56 PM CST
Hello Everyone,

I ordered two David Austin Rose plants, Mme Isaac Pereire and Golden Celebration (!!) back in January, which I am very excited about. The bad news is that DA is very delayed in shipping this year due to Covid. I live in zone 7b and my other rose bushes are already fully leafed out and blooming. I read on the DA website that normally bare root roses should only be planted through late April, but it's almost the end of April and I still have not received shipping confirmation despite writing a few emails to the company. How bad would it be to plant a bare root rose in early-mid May zone 7b? Is there anything I can do to help my young rose plants survive, or should I just contact DA and cancel my order because it is so delayed? I was truly looking forward to growing Mme Isaac Pereire and Golden Celebration, so I am hoping to find a way to make it work out if at all possible. I know there are a lot of rose experts on Garden.org, so I'm hoping to get advice since I am a newbie!

Thank you!

-Holly
Name: Daisy I
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DaisyI
Apr 25, 2021 2:41 PM CST
If you receive them, all you can do is plant. Or cancel the order.

When you plant bareroot roses, they spend their first weeks before it gets warm establishing a root system. I can see a couple outcomes to planting bareroot too late:

They may try to leaf out before growing roots. They will essentially be a bouquet of rose stems - leaf out, grow a little, wilt and die.

Or they will never break dormancy because there just isn't enough energy left in the plant to establish roots or leaf out after all those months bareroot in storage.

Or they will root, grow and be fine.

The warmer the soil, the less chance the roses have of surviving. While in storage (since last fall) the plants have been using stored energy to stay alive and are also dehydrating. If you do decide to keep the order, when you get the plants, soak the roots in a bucket of water for several hours before you plant. Don't add any nutrients to the planting hole.

I find it worrisome they aren't communicating with you. How much do you want the roses? Take the chance of losing them and order again next year? Or wait and order next year?





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Name: Holly
Baltimore, MD (Zone 7b)
GardenDreaming
Apr 25, 2021 3:49 PM CST
Daisyl, I am also concerned that they haven't really been responding. I wonder if anyone else has had problems with David Austin since Covid started. I have heard so many wonderful things about the company that I am surprised by how sub-par the customer service has been so far.

I have been waiting about a year to get these roses (I moved last May and so pretty much missed out on ordering most things for last season because everything was sold out.) I am quite new to growing roses and didn't realize how competitive it can be to get specific varieties of roses before they sell out!! I guess I will take my chances.

Do you think it might help to keep the roses indoors for a while where temperatures might be cooler?

-Holly

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Growmore
Apr 25, 2021 5:13 PM CST
At the time of writing this. It is now 26/4/21 (UK). For whatever reason, planting bareroot roses has been, restricted to late April. So four days remain. I would cancel the order. OK. There are guarantees etc. Sometimes these pay off....sometimes.
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teacup754
Apr 25, 2021 5:39 PM CST
What nursery exactly did you order from? One here in the US? That may be a factor in how late you can/should plant.
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vaporvac
Apr 25, 2021 5:45 PM CST
Many people have been having problems with David Austin this year. That said I received mine over a week ago. They were replacements. I would go ahead and get them and see what happens. They have a five-year replacement policy and from my experience they are extremely good about honoring it.
Name: Ken Wilkinson
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KenNEGA
Apr 25, 2021 5:58 PM CST
I received my David Austin USA order just 10 days ago. WAY late for bare roots for me. I soaked for 24 hrs then planted. Then covered about 2 ft. deep in pine needles. Soaked down real good and kept everything damp and cool every day. I uncovered today and I have new growth on all 3 bush's. Recovered lightly and will uncover everything some time this week. If and when you receive your roses, after soaking, plant, cover with a light, airy mulch (that's why I use pine needles). Keep everything cool and moist every day for at least 10/14 days and hope for the best.
It's a rose!!! It has nothing to do with life and death.
Name: Rosemary
Sacramento, CA (Zone 9b)
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reh0622
Apr 25, 2021 7:39 PM CST
A 6" mulch is supposed to keep the roots cool.
Name: Holly
Baltimore, MD (Zone 7b)
GardenDreaming
Apr 25, 2021 7:54 PM CST
teacup754 said:What nursery exactly did you order from? One here in the US? That may be a factor in how late you can/should plant.


teacup754 I ordered them directly from the David Austin website! I think for US customers they grow their roses in TX and then ship them all over the US.
Frisco, TX (Zone 8a)
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teacup754
Apr 25, 2021 8:27 PM CST
I wondered if they would be coming from Texas. We are not too far from where they are grown.We have had a much cooler spring than normal, as well as that horrendous storm in February when it set record low temps. All the growers have been affected.
Name: Holly
Baltimore, MD (Zone 7b)
GardenDreaming
Apr 29, 2021 5:13 PM CST
Well, the bare root roses arrived this morning. I soaked the roots for about 7 hours and then planted them in some potting soil without any additional fertilizer. (I think the potting soil comes with a little slow release fertilizer mixed in.) I added some extra sand and peat moss for lightness/drainage because the potting soil I bought recently, Sta Green Moisture Max, has really weird gel lumps (??) in it... that's the best way I can describe it. I think it is the same kind of gel they put in super absorbent diapers. Really weird. It was the only kind of potting soil available in large bags when I went to the garden center, and I didn't realize it would have gel in it! Anyway, I added a few inches of mulch on top according to one poster's suggestion. They are going to live indoors for the next week, because we are supposed to have temps in the 80's! I'm going to crank up the AC and wait. I am very curious to see how this will turn out. I suppose DA always has the five year guarantee...
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Name: Dennis Brown
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kohala
Apr 29, 2021 7:00 PM CST
Can't you put your. new DA's outdoors in the shade where it is cooler? Roses don't like to be indoors.
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kohala
Apr 29, 2021 7:24 PM CST
Personally, I wouldn't plant my roses in Sta Green Moisture Max. With the moisture globules in the soil you lose control of the amount of water your roses get. Roses like to dry out a little before they are watered again.
I would like to hear from other forum members the use of this product.
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porkpal
Apr 29, 2021 7:57 PM CST
Also make sure you don't leave any water sitting in the saucers after they have been watered.
Porkpal
Santa Barbara, CA (Zone 9b)
SusaninSB
Apr 29, 2021 9:26 PM CST
Don't keep them inside!!! Put them in the total shade outside. Then after a week, gradually move them to more and more sun. Emphasis on gradual. I'm not familiar with that potting soil, but it doesn't sound like something I'd use. And get rid of the saucers.
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Name: Holly
Baltimore, MD (Zone 7b)
GardenDreaming
Apr 29, 2021 9:47 PM CST
I'm going to get some 'regular potting soil' as soon as I can and repot the roses with it. The 'Sta-green Moisture Max' was all they had in the store and I didn't realize until I added water to it that it had the weird gel stuff in it. I wouldn't recommend it! I kind of want to return the unopened bags but it's not worth carrying the giant sacks back down the stairs of my apartment to load them in a car etc etc.

My reasoning with keeping the roses inside was to keep them cool while they hopefully concentrate on growing roots, not leaves. It is much cooler inside than outside right now. (Outside is 85, inside is 68.) I was planning to take them outside in a week when the weather cools off again, but if it doesn't make much difference I will just put them in the shade outside.
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bart2018
Apr 30, 2021 4:35 AM CST
I bet they'll be fine,just keep 'em in shade.

gailgulyashotmailcom
Jun 4, 2021 12:25 AM CST
First week in June & temperatures are in the high 80,s DA still hasn't shipped bare root roses. Customer service really sucks. They only ship to all of Canada at one time, no concept that the west coast has much warmer weather. I dug up a front garden bed, fior 6 roses, yesterday I spent $40 on annuals.. so disappointing . I tried to cancel, no response
Name: Holly
Baltimore, MD (Zone 7b)
GardenDreaming
Jun 4, 2021 7:06 AM CST
gailgulyashotmailcom said:First week in June & temperatures are in the high 80,s DA still hasn't shipped bare root roses. Customer service really sucks. They only ship to all of Canada at one time, no concept that the west coast has much warmer weather. I dug up a front garden bed, fior 6 roses, yesterday I spent $40 on annuals.. so disappointing . I tried to cancel, no response


That is so frustrating! I'm not sure what D.A.'s excuse is, because other companies that I ordered from during the Pandemic, such as Eden Brothers and Bluestone Perennials, seemed to still be working like a well-oiled machine with great customer service and fast shipping. D.A. is going to ruin their good reputation!

For the record, the D.A. roses I finally received seem to be in good condition and are doing well now, although they are not necessarily bigger or healthier than roses I have ordered from other companies (such as Northland Rosarium or Heirloom Roses.)
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JBarstool
Jun 4, 2021 7:22 AM CST
My experience with DA is that they have always dealt with plant guarantees professionally and fairly. I would not hesitate to grow the roses, hoping for the best, and would feel confident that if the roses do not perform they will be replaced.

Agree with others - get the roses outside.

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