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Name: Charline
Toronto (Zone 5b)
Charlinex
Apr 25, 2021 5:41 PM CST
I am thinking about adding Sedum spurium and Sedum Angelina in the pot of S. Gold Nuggets or S. Cherry Berry.

Is it a good idea?

It a 10-inch clay pot.

Many thanks!
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Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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webesemps
Apr 25, 2021 6:29 PM CST
I'd check the zone for the Sedums as Semps will survive in your zone. Lynn @valleylynn do you know?
Name: Connie
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pardalinum
Apr 25, 2021 6:48 PM CST
Charlinex, Angelina is hardy to your zone but tends to pretty much take over everywhere, both from seeds and broke off pieces. It would crowd out your semp(s) pretty quick.
Name: Charline
Toronto (Zone 5b)
Charlinex
Apr 25, 2021 7:08 PM CST
Thanks both of you Bev and Connie, for the replies.

pardalinum said:Charlinex, Angelina is hardy to your zone but tends to pretty much take over everywhere, both from seeds and broke off pieces. It would crowd out your semp(s) pretty quick.


That's what I worried about.

All of these are hardy in my Zone 5b. S. Cherry Berry can survive Zone 3 according to the tag.


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Name: Connie
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pardalinum
Apr 25, 2021 7:22 PM CST
I was thinking that Sedum spathulifolium would look neat and not too aggressive but it hardy to just Zone 6. I am using the Mountain Crest website for hardiness zones.
Name: Charline
Toronto (Zone 5b)
Charlinex
Apr 25, 2021 7:59 PM CST
pardalinum said:I was thinking that Sedum spathulifolium would look neat and not too aggressive but it hardy to just Zone 6. I am using the Mountain Crest website for hardiness zones.


That's a beautiful suggestion! I will look for it to see if they are available in Toronto. It probably only lasts in one season though.
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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webesemps
Apr 25, 2021 9:13 PM CST
If hardy and aggressive but works out in the pot with semps...then just make a habit of pruning and or pulling out the excess to keep things tidy and keep semps from being overwhelmed?
Name: Charline
Toronto (Zone 5b)
Charlinex
Apr 25, 2021 9:22 PM CST
webesemps said:If hardy and aggressive but works out in the pot with semps...then just make a habit of pruning and or pulling out the excess to keep things tidy and keep semps from being overwhelmed?


That's a great idea too! Thanks!
Name: Charline
Toronto (Zone 5b)
Charlinex
Apr 25, 2021 9:26 PM CST
That's the Cherry Berry.

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Name: Alex
Virginia (Fairfax) (Zone 6/7) (Zone 7a)
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sedumzz
Apr 26, 2021 12:13 PM CST
Charlinex said:I am thinking about adding Sedum spurium and Sedum Angelina in the pot of S. Gold Nuggets or S. Cherry Berry.

Is it a good idea?

It a 10-inch clay pot.

Many thanks!


They will be fine. Avoid S. album, S. sarmentosum, and petrosedum. Other sedum are much less aggresive. I would avoid hylotelephenium since your pot is only a ten inch pot.
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Apr 27, 2021 3:02 PM CST

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Just found this thread, late to the party. Smiling
Sedum lydium is hardy to zone 4, very well behaved, and tiny.
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Name: Charline
Toronto (Zone 5b)
Charlinex
Apr 27, 2021 5:39 PM CST
Lynn, thanks for the suggestion! This is a cute one! :)
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Apr 27, 2021 6:15 PM CST

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And well behaved.
Name: Sol Zimmerdahl
Portland, Oregon (Zone 8b)
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GeologicalForms
Apr 27, 2021 11:55 PM CST
Charline,
I plant sedum and sempervivum together in containers as a second job. Most of the sedum do grow faster, in a small container it's not really a big issue because the sedum are dwarfed or trail out the sides rather than grow vertically, the deeper and larger the pot is the more apical growth you'll get and only then does angelina become a problem. Like Bev says though you can always counteract that growth discrepancy with maintenance. Another thought would be to do something similar to what our fellow succulent enthusiast Mark used to do, which is to use large stones within the planters to create barriers between your varieties. I've done it before and it certainly does help stem the tide of an unruly variety planted next to a tamer one, plus with a tasteful selection of stones they can add to the visual appeal of your planting.
My advice is to experiment and have fun!
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Cheers!
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Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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webesemps
Apr 28, 2021 12:46 AM CST
Nice looking containers with my favorite combination: Sedum and Semps.
Name: Alex
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sedumzz
Apr 28, 2021 5:51 AM CST
In many cases in large garden beds or large pots I find adding fake stream beds, thick or thin to help control the vigorous ones. Does not help with runners but trimming those off should work.
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Name: Kevin Vaughn
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
JungleShadows
Apr 28, 2021 8:39 AM CST
Clumping semps like Chris Hansen's Dazzleberry and others from that line are CLUMPERS. Those I trust around semps. Others that spread by stolons I trust MUCH less.

Our Pacific NW sedums and their hybrids are perfect for this too even though they do spread, the spread is SLOW.

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Name: Alex
Virginia (Fairfax) (Zone 6/7) (Zone 7a)
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sedumzz
Apr 28, 2021 8:51 AM CST
That is true.

Clumping hylotelepheniums are fine for pots because they don't die back as hard. Many of the upright/large hylotelepheniums die back violently so if they are in a pot proportionate to their size when they bloom, once they die back it will look very bare without companion plants.
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Name: Charline
Toronto (Zone 5b)
Charlinex
Apr 29, 2021 7:40 AM CST
Sol, love how you arrange the semps and sedums in artistic pots!

I have also made some pots for my succulents, just for fun. Never thought about putting semps and sedums into them.

Now you have given me an idea. Big Grin

Thanks for the inspiration!
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Name: Charline
Toronto (Zone 5b)
Charlinex
Apr 29, 2021 11:42 AM CST
Wonder if this hand made bowl is deep enough for semps.


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The one below is deep, but not wide enough....

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