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Apr 27, 2021 7:48 AM CST
Maryland (Zone 7a)
Bookworm Roses Region: Maryland Peonies Hibiscus Herbs
Dahlias Cut Flowers Cat Lover Region: Canadian Garden Photography Butterflies
Which has more dramatic colouring, Chocolate Soldier or Hot Chocolate?
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Apr 27, 2021 3:14 PM CST
Name: Anya
Fairbanks, AK (Zone 3a)
Cat Lover
Chocolate Soldier
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Apr 27, 2021 3:54 PM CST
Maryland (Zone 7a)
Bookworm Roses Region: Maryland Peonies Hibiscus Herbs
Dahlias Cut Flowers Cat Lover Region: Canadian Garden Photography Butterflies
Thanks Anya! In some pics it looks much the same as Belle Centre (which I already have). I'm running out of space so I want anything new I put in to really be different from what I already have.

Does yours have a proper brown undertone to it?
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Apr 27, 2021 5:30 PM CST
Name: Anya
Fairbanks, AK (Zone 3a)
Cat Lover
I planted it in 2019 and last year he summer was cool so CS did not bloom. My Hot Chocolate is pretty dark and nice but I prefer the color of CS if I have to choose one of those (I judge it from pictures).
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Apr 27, 2021 6:26 PM CST
Name: SoCal
Orange County (Zone 10a)
Lazy Gardener or Melonator
I want real chocolate.
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Apr 28, 2021 12:44 AM CST
Name: Nick
Edmonton, Canada (Zone 3b)
Chocolate Soldier

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Hot Chocolate

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I have tried my best to capture the true colour of the flowers. Chocolate Soldier is definitely the browner red of the two.

Aside from colour, Hot Chocolate has tall stems and a bit of a spreading habit which I'm not a huge fan of. The guard petals turn inwards which to some viewers gives the impression of an aged flower.
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Apr 28, 2021 3:05 AM CST
Maryland (Zone 7a)
Bookworm Roses Region: Maryland Peonies Hibiscus Herbs
Dahlias Cut Flowers Cat Lover Region: Canadian Garden Photography Butterflies
Thanks Nick! That's very helpful.
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Apr 28, 2021 3:22 AM CST
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Name: LG
Nashvillle (Zone 7a)
Butterflies Garden Photography Hostas Hummingbirder Peonies Region: Tennessee
Forum moderator
Both are gorgeous in your garden, Nick!!
LG - My garden grows with love and a lot of hard work.
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Apr 28, 2021 6:28 AM CST
Name: Mary Stella
Chester, VA (Zone 7b)
Dahlias Canning and food preservation Lilies Peonies Permaculture Ponds
Garden Ideas: Level 2
I have a few that resemble both of those, for instance Sword Dance. I think Battle Flag is also similar. Guess the difference is they are definitely red, not brownish. I had taken a pass on Chocolate Soldier and Hot Chocolate thinking they were all similar. But now I see they are very different. Thanks.
From -60 Alaska to +100 Virginia. Wahoo
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Apr 28, 2021 8:47 AM CST
Name: Valerie
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
Region: Canadian Peonies Irises Daylilies Hybridizer Bulbs
Seller of Garden Stuff Plant and/or Seed Trader Bee Lover Birds Keeper of Koi
I agree - Chocolate Soldier is definitely a browner red - and gorgeous to boot. I have some planted in front of physocarpus aurea and I think that is sambucus Sutherland at the bottom
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A red I adore is Merry Mayshine -
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Super-shiny petals, lovely dissected foliage and it dies down early so good opportunity to plant late blooming stuff behind her - I have heuchera Marmalade behind one of my clumps.
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May 3, 2021 7:35 PM CST
Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Valerie, do your heucheras return? All of my yellow or orange shade don't last after 2 years.
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May 4, 2021 7:41 AM CST
Name: Valerie
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4b)
Region: Canadian Peonies Irises Daylilies Hybridizer Bulbs
Seller of Garden Stuff Plant and/or Seed Trader Bee Lover Birds Keeper of Koi
Karen - certain cultivars are persistent and Marmalade is one of those but certainly there aren't many that one can call perennial Sighing! I tried with heucherellas as their genetic makeup makes them slightly hardier but haven't hit on any really lasting varieties yet except Viking Ship (it took many tries before I got the right VS though)
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May 4, 2021 8:45 AM CST
Name: Alex
Toronto, Ontario
Region: Canadian
Did Chocolate Soldier developed into something with a lot of petals - I would not call it semi-double or double, but certainly fluffier than a single flower for anyone who grows it? Don Richardson comes to mind as well.
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May 4, 2021 11:36 AM CST
Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Thank you Valerie! Appreciate those recommendations!
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