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Name: Gary Ray
North Carolina (Zone 7b)
graycrna4u
May 3, 2021 5:27 PM CST
I have noticed that as KSS sold out and closed last year that some people are getting plants that are not true to name. I too bought what I thought was Silver Dawn, with the tag attached.

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Imagine my surprise this spring when the plant grew and put up 2 buds. One was a bud bust, but the second gave me a beautiful bloom. Silver Dawn should be a single and can be either pink, yellow, or white. Great plant.
This is what I got. The bud was yellowish before it opened.

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What do all the wise ones more experienced than me about what it might be? My suspicion is either Vanilla Schnapps or Pastelegance. Anyone who grows these two help me out here. And those worried about a mislabel remember it could possibly be to your benefit.
Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
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kousa
May 3, 2021 5:52 PM CST
What a great mix up! Gorgeous! It looks like Blonde Vision but yours seems to have stronger stem/neck than what my BV produces. Foliage looks a bit different from BV too. So I don't think it is BV but flower looks similar to it. I don't think it is Pastelegance. Pastel has a peachy champagne color.

Here is Blonde Vision
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Pastelelgance

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I don't have that many bloom pics of Vanilla Schnapps to compare if yours is VS.
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Name: Alex
Toronto, Ontario
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AlexUnder
May 3, 2021 7:11 PM CST
Looks good anyway! It is like winning a lottery, but certainly they could have done a better job in their last year, especially if you were aiming for that particular cultivar.
Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
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kousa
May 3, 2021 7:31 PM CST
I think it maybe Summer Glow. Check out Adelman's pic of SG.
Name: LG
Nashvillle (Zone 7a)
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Mieko2
May 3, 2021 7:58 PM CST

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Well Gary, I bought two of their Silver Dawn mix. One has a bud, but I don't know if it will open.

I will look at the foliage to compare to yours. To me, yours looks more like Pastelegance, except for the foliage and that it looks short.

This thread is going to be interesting!!

LG - My garden grows with love and a lot of hard work.
Name: Alex
Toronto, Ontario
Region: Canadian
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AlexUnder
May 3, 2021 9:47 PM CST
I do not think it is Summer Glow, which generally looks like Lactiflora.
Name: Nick
Edmonton, Canada (Zone 3b)
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NMay
May 3, 2021 9:53 PM CST
The game is afoot!

What a lovely flower and a nice surprise. Well, I guess that depends on your perspective but it's a trade I wouldn't be upset about.

It doesn't appear to be Vanilla Schnapps. I mean, I don't grow it, but based on every photo I've seen a defining characteristic of the flowers is an irregular, notched petal margin.

https://solarisfarms.com/2019/...

Here are some photos of Pastelegance foliage at different stages of growth if you want to compare. It doesn't really look like a match to me.

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Name: SoCal
Orange County (Zone 10a)
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SoCalGardenNut
May 3, 2021 10:44 PM CST
I hope for a similar mixed up, what a gorgeous color. I did buy a lot from SS, only a few came up.
2022 wishlist: Pastelegance, and Blonde Vision.
Name: Gary Ray
North Carolina (Zone 7b)
graycrna4u
May 4, 2021 2:54 AM CST
Thanks for the input. I guess it is possible it could be Blonde Vision also. I don't know if I have ever had a first spring bare root put up such a perfectly double bloom. And I think I have read BV can be a very finicky grower.
Name: Leslie
Durham, NC (Zone 8a)
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Lestv
May 5, 2021 7:04 PM CST
Considering all the amazing peonies Klehm hybridized, and the trouble they had trying to find someone to continue the farm during Covid I think a few mistakes are just not worth complaining about. Enjoy all the peonies they created that you enjoy year upon year in your gardens and not cast dispersion on faults during a crazy pandemic year of closing. I adore my Klehm peonies. And am pleased to have several to enjoy for years to come.
"The chimera is a one time happenstance event where the plant has a senior moment and forgets what it is doing." - Paul Black
Name: LG
Nashvillle (Zone 7a)
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Mieko2
May 5, 2021 7:33 PM CST

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Here is my Vanilla Schnapps to compare with.

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Name: Alex
Toronto, Ontario
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AlexUnder
May 5, 2021 9:26 PM CST
Let's not mix great plantsman famous for hybridizing or promoting of new plants and business entity responsible for completing customer's order on time and in correct manner.

And all people on this forum at one point were given the wrong one (from different suppliers) which does not diminish their unhappiness realizing this mistake a few years later.
Name: aka Annie
WA-rural 8a to (Zone 7b)
Sandsock
May 5, 2021 9:56 PM CST
I can say all of my SS came up. About 50%-70% have buds, but nothing has opened.

I agree with Alex, sometimes it is a happy accident to get the wrong plant and sometimes it is just disappointing even if people were doing their best during a pandemic. Having lived thru Hurricane Katrina...mistakes weren't any nicer then, just more forgivable and still took time to get over.
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Name: SoCal
Orange County (Zone 10a)
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SoCalGardenNut
May 5, 2021 9:58 PM CST
That's very good Annie, about less than 5% of mine have buds.
2022 wishlist: Pastelegance, and Blonde Vision.
Name: aka Annie
WA-rural 8a to (Zone 7b)
Sandsock
May 5, 2021 10:41 PM CST
SoCal...we have lots and lots and lots of cool weather, still in the 40's at night...was so excited that it got 71f today.
Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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kousa
May 6, 2021 4:56 PM CST
I don't mind getting mixed up with the common peonies. I do mind getting mixed up with the more rare ones or the expensive tree peonies. Imagine paying and hoping for a Joanna Gilbert and getting a Hanakisoi. I hope this does not happen to me. Nothing is wrong with Hanakisoi but Joanna Gilbert was what I paid for and wanted.
Name: LG
Nashvillle (Zone 7a)
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Mieko2
May 7, 2021 12:08 PM CST

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I agree with Karen… it is a commercial transaction. Money was paid for a certain item, not a grab bag item.

Two more of my 2020 SS purchases are true to name.
Crinkled Linens

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Soft Lemon Kisses.

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LG - My garden grows with love and a lot of hard work.
Name: Karen
Southeast PA (Zone 6b)
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kousa
May 7, 2021 2:46 PM CST
I am glad to see your post, LG! Maybe the mistakes are just an isolated few. I have two buds on my Commando and they appear red which is a good. I also got a bud on my Chocolate Chip. Hopefully, this will be true to name since this is rarely offered elsewhere.
Name: Tracey
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magnolialover
May 8, 2021 7:05 AM CST

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I would take that mistake, Gary, in a heartbeat. Depending on where that was located, an option may also be a seedling. Klehm did a ton of peony breeding too. It would be interesting to have known where this was dug and what it was near.

I 100% think that they really tried to run a great operation until their last day, with true to name cultivars. Toward the end, with the loss of José, their main plantsman, I could see where things could have gotten confused. But I also know things were well marked.

I don't think it looks like Vanilla Scnapps or Pastelegence. It will be nice to watch this one develop over time in your garden though. I like it. It's a nice full flower.

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