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Name: Orion
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plasko20
May 11, 2021 11:20 AM CST
I have noticed something bizarre about the LA, and would just like anyone to confirm it. I am a newbie to many aspects so am not sure if it is supposed to be like this.
Seems that if you are a first bidder on an item the LA takes your max possible bid and lists that as your first bid e.g. say a daylily is listed at $5 with 0 bidders and you want your max to be $25, you enter $25 and instead of listing you as the first bidder with a $5 bid, it instead lists a $25 bid.

I have included an example picture. In the $7-and-under category a daylily has a single bid. But the bid is of $49.01 (which should be impossible). I see this so often now in the categories I just wanted to confirm that is the case - that if you are the first bidder you have to place a lowball bid to be sure the LA does not max you out instantly. I am too scared to test this hypothesis too much as I might lose money.

Or am I missing something critical and glaringly obvious?

Thanks.
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Name: Larry
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Seedfork
May 11, 2021 11:42 AM CST
When I go to the LA it shows the first bid was $49.00 and the next minimum bid is $50.51. But I can't tell from that info if the person just started off with their maximum bid or if they just bid that much at the start.
Name: Orion
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plasko20
May 11, 2021 11:53 AM CST
Seedfork said:When I go to the LA it shows the first bid was $49.00 and the next minimum bid is $50.51. But I can't tell from that info if the person just started off with their maximum bid or if they just bid that much at the start.


Yeah but if they bid that much, that is their current max bid. Regardless of the listed price of the daylily.
So if a daylily was e.g. $4.99 "$7-and-under" and I bid a million bucks, I would expect my bid to be $5 (with the rest in reserve) and not a penny more as that is the listed starting price of the auction.

Thankfully, I am hardly ever the first bidder. So I do not know really what is supposed to happen.
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Seedfork
May 11, 2021 12:39 PM CST
I think if you are in the under $7.00 bid area, the first bid is already entered as $6.99 automatically, then you would bid per the stated increment. So it looks to me like that if you make your max bid $17.99 the lily bot should make your bid just one increment above the current bid.
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gardenglory
May 11, 2021 12:48 PM CST
The high bids on all of the one bid auctions are one cent higher than the list price, never really thought about it. Bidders high bid wont kick in clearly until second bid.

O I didnt chck the higher starting auctions, but yea...
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Name: Orion
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plasko20
May 11, 2021 2:41 PM CST
Seedfork said:I think if you are in the under $7.00 bid area, the first bid is already entered as $6.99 automatically, then you would bid per the stated increment. So it looks to me like that if you make your max bid $17.99 the lily bot should make your bid just one increment above the current bid.


I totally agree that is what I believe SHOULD be happening. But whether that is what is actually happening (e.g. the photo I included in the OP), I have absolutely no clue. How else could a single bidder get to $49.01 in the section of "$7 and under"? It is quite mysterious to me. But it happens a lot in this and the "under $20" section. I am just curious as to why it happens. That is why I never put in my max bid if I am the very first bidder on anything, just in case it takes my bid and maxes it out. But I thought I might be being silly, hence the post. I do know that sometimes an item can have both an auction starting price or a higher buy-it-now price that may be out of the price category, which makes sense to me. But I just cannot figure this thing out. Having never sold anything it could be that the seller gets to choose both the starting price AND the category separately (rather than the software categorizing for you based on the starting price) so people just do a typo and insert into the wrong category sometimes. Yet, I have NEVER seen a higher price in a category that had zero bids. Only that had 1 bid. Quite confusing, really. I guess it may remain a mystery after all.
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Name: Char
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Char
May 11, 2021 2:44 PM CST

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I think the seller listed Immeasurable in the wrong category by mistake.The starting bid (first bid) listed by the seller is/was $49.00 which tells me it is in the wrong category. The LA does not place them in a category for you based on price/year of intro/form/seed or plant etc. sellers choose the category when making their listing.
Name: Orion
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plasko20
May 11, 2021 2:55 PM CST
Char said:I think the seller listed Immeasurable in the wrong category by mistake.The starting bid (first bid) listed by the seller is/was $49.00 which tells me it is in the wrong category. The LA does not place them in a category for you based on price/year of intro/form/seed or plant etc. sellers choose the category when making their listing.


Thanks for clearing this up. It is very odd that the seller gets to choose both the starting bid and the price-category, rather than the software automating it.

Although I still have to look out for that mis-categorization combined with zero bids (I have only ever observed that after a bid has occurred, as yet, but I will be keeping my eyes peeled in the future). The LA is a fun place. I just need to learn all the little foibles.
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Hembrain
May 12, 2021 7:35 AM CST
Everything I ever needed to know, I learned... on the Lily Auction! Such an interesting space. Blinking
@plasko20, on being the first bidder, on the LA: as you have noticed, the early bird often seems to catch the worm. Unless there is genuine competition or the item was underpriced to begin with, buyers will often respect the first bidder and wait until the item is listed again to take their turn at being the one and (hopefully) only. Bidding wars are exciting but can represent a lose-lose outcome. I love when I'm the only bidder and others politely wait their turn. Angel Often I politely wait my turn. Sometimes one loses out this way.
I feel bad when I have to outbid someone, but sometimes it happens. Apologies to any of you that I have might have bumped or outbid. The DLs made me do it! Lovey dubby
I appreciate how accommodating LA sellers can be with reserve buys when one got outbid or one is hunting something that's not listed. It doesn't hurt to ask nicely for what you want.
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Name: Orion
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plasko20
May 12, 2021 9:29 AM CST
Hembrain said:Everything I ever needed to know, I learned... on the Lily Auction! Such an interesting space. Blinking
@plasko20, on being the first bidder, on the LA: as you have noticed, the early bird often seems to catch the worm. Unless there is genuine competition or the item was underpriced to begin with, buyers will often respect the first bidder and wait until the item is listed again to take their turn at being the one and (hopefully) only. Bidding wars are exciting but can represent a lose-lose outcome. I love when I'm the only bidder and others politely wait their turn. Angel Often I politely wait my turn. Sometimes one loses out this way.
I feel bad when I have to outbid someone, but sometimes it happens. Apologies to any of you that I have might have bumped or outbid. The DLs made me do it! Lovey dubby
I appreciate how accommodating LA sellers can be with reserve buys when one got outbid or one is hunting something that's not listed. It doesn't hurt to ask nicely for what you want.


That is a very interesting way to bid on the LA. I imagine, from the seller's point of view not what they want at all (they want the most profits and adore bidding wars). This is why they release replicate fans and seeds one by one so the buyers never know if this one is the last one and purchase as if it was the last one. Once that is purchased the sellers wait a week or 2 then release the identical one for the next people to war over. That is a sound business strategy. Otherwise they would release all replicate fans and seeds at the same time on side-by-side listings. But doing that leads to much lower profits.
As for bidding as a buyer, my own strategy is to first look at the closed items list and see the history of what this cultivar went for over the years to work out the current "market value" of the current daylily on offer. I also search online as many vendors as possible and compare their prices (often can be lower than LA). Then I bid accordingly. Unless something has bewitched me with beauty, in which case I just go crazy until my credit card melts. But thankfully, that is rare. But I have zero guilt about bidding when someone else has bid - that is the exact reason the LA exists! Indeed the LA even gives you a 5-min breather at the end of the auction to try and re-bid if you wish, should someone scoop in at the last second and outbid you. Seems like a sweet addition to the program to discourage that type of behavior.
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