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Name: Dr. Demento Jr.
Minnesota (Zone 3b)
RpR
Jun 6, 2021 11:21 AM CST
Got back from trying to cover rose garden with Cocoa Bean Hulls but do not have enough , but at that, outside of one long dead rose , stump root rose bought from Home Depot last year probably, none are actually dead -- yet -- all show some signs of green though , a fair number are at the Monte Python -- "I'm not quite dead yet " -- stage, therefore; I am babying them to see what happens.

I cannot find my rose chart so I do not know which ones are in search of the Holy Grail, but at least one was a bucks-up rose put in last year but the rose name is no longer on the still attached tag.

IF, if I cannot get any more Cocoa Bean Hulls, I am considering put crushed pine bark over the un-mulched areas as it will look better than the left over leaves , which will decompose any way so I thought best to mulch over them than try to blow them out and have to deal with the , considerable number of leaves on the lawn especially as the only direction to blow them to would be into the Lilies of the Valley garden which looks like crap already as I dug a huge peony out of it last fall and Ma's wild roses are spreading like weed so I used bush killer on some of them and I have a weed
that is becoming serious problem over the whole yard which is odd as some areas becoming infested are tens of yards from where they first hit a long, long time ago. Shrug! I tip my hat to you.
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Name: Dr. Demento Jr.
Minnesota (Zone 3b)
RpR
Jun 7, 2021 1:08 PM CST
There are no Cocoa Bean Shells left in Minnesota, I checked every where ; one Menard's has two bags left.
All the other garden shops are out.
Name: Dr. Demento Jr.
Minnesota (Zone 3b)
RpR
Jun 9, 2021 2:56 PM CST
Have any of you used: Great Big Roses fertilizer?

I saw a special deal for getting Amazon C-card in which a gallon of the fertilizer and large bag of Dr Earth Total Advantage Rose N Floral Plant Mix only cost me 51 dollars total.

New roses have been in long enough now I am going to start a regular fertilizing/fungicide routine, or at least something resembling a routine.
If any of you use it , what do you think of it? I'm all ears!
Name: Dr. Demento Jr.
Minnesota (Zone 3b)
RpR
Jun 14, 2021 12:27 PM CST
I will presume no one has tried it yet; I fertilized yesterday and if the reviews on Amazon are worth anything , it has positive feedback.
For what it is worth:
I was also going to fertilize my tomatoes with some old Miracle Grow Tomato Fertilizer, the powder in a box that has sat in the garden cupboard for a few years, well, it seems that that stuff does not have a years long shelf life, as both packets looked like large chunks of hard candy.
I took one and tossed in a five gallon pail of water and the other into the one-half whiskey barrel, where they did start to dissolve. I tip my hat to you.
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
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porkpal
Jun 14, 2021 3:06 PM CST
Let us know what happens.
Porkpal
Name: Dr. Demento Jr.
Minnesota (Zone 3b)
RpR
Jun 19, 2021 5:44 PM CST
Went home some days ago and roses down south seem to be doing well but I did nothing more than water them and even though some were blooming gave no more than a casual glance as other work had to be done and time was short.

Heading back tomorrow and will see how many are dead or not worth dickering with and see if Roses Unlimited still have some I want to order.
Last look two were at the point of not wasting time and space on, plus I have several bags of soil/compost I never used so replacing original soil will be no hassle.
As there are no Cocoa Bean shells any where, may bite the bullet and put crushed pine bark in the gap I had not bean shells for. I tip my hat to you.
Name: Zoƫ
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NMoasis
Jun 19, 2021 6:07 PM CST
RpR said: ... I was also going to fertilize my tomatoes with some old Miracle Grow Tomato Fertilizer, the powder in a box that has sat in the garden cupboard for a few years, well, it seems that that stuff does not have a years long shelf life, as both packets looked like large chunks of hard candy.
I took one and tossed in a five gallon pail of water and the other into the one-half whiskey barrel, where they did start to dissolve. I tip my hat to you.


RpR, I had some in an unopened packet that had sat for a couple of years and gotten hard like that. I slammed it around until it was mostly crumbly and used it. Seemed to work fine. I suspect that MG is like Twinkies...indefinite shelf life Thumbs up

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Name: Dr. Demento Jr.
Minnesota (Zone 3b)
RpR
Jun 29, 2021 12:31 PM CST
Got to the garden down South and the roses are alive , and some are blooming but not looking like I want it to.

Now I am paying the penalty for not blowing the leaf debris from the roses when uncovered them, and not putting a fabric over the entire bed last fall.
Weeds which consist of Crab Grass, Trees, DAMNED Peruvian Potatoes, and others are sprouting like mad.
Worst weed infestation in a lot of years.
As I spent 10 hours weeding the vegetable garden and had to get back up North, although it turns out I did not, I simply did not have time to spend hours weeding the roses and giving them the attention they need.
New ones are supposed to be in the mail so when they arrive I will do a thorough weed, fertilizing and watering although the whole bed needs more than that to look as good as it did at one time.

I keep forgetting to take the Big Roses fertilizer along so I have not applied it to the roses down South yet but the ones up North look good.
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX
Charter ATP Member Dog Lover Cat Lover Keeper of Poultry Keeps Horses I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Garden Ideas: Level 2 Plant Identifier Raises cows Roses Farmer Celebrating Gardening: 2015
porkpal
Jun 29, 2021 6:04 PM CST
Maintaining two separated gardens must be a struggle. My roses are repeatedly swallowed in weeds and they are all on just one rather spread out piece of farm.
Porkpal
Name: Dr. Demento Jr.
Minnesota (Zone 3b)
RpR
Jun 29, 2021 6:43 PM CST
porkpal said:Maintaining two separated gardens must be a struggle. My roses are repeatedly swallowed in weeds and they are all on just one rather spread out piece of farm.

In years past I mulched heavily with Eucalyptus till disappeared from the market some years back and now Cocoa Bean Hulls plus I would bury and cover the beds with fabric which made weed control far, far, far easier.

Past few years fabric was wearing out and I just did not put the effort in I had done for decades before so I learned the hard way you snooze you lose.
I will spend the bucks to get a new car cover (which was what I used for a long time as it is far, far better than landscape fabric) to use down South which will make covering and uncovering the rose far more efficient than just dumping leaves on and in spring removing the leaves while trying to do so without stabbing a rose with a fork.
This spring I learned which roses were really , really tough as some poked right through the leaf cover, which is also a sign I may not have put enough down but due to the late hard freezes, I uncovered very late this year which is better than losing roses to a hard freeze after uncovering too early -- the way I lost the majority of roses ten years ago.
I will probably return to burying the roses down South again as survival rate was much more consistent.

Up North as it is a narrow long bed, that gets a very heavy leaf cover, the past few years have shown that up there simple heavy leaf cover with the remnants of the old fabric has worked quite well the past two years.

Greatest concern is 90 percent of the roses down South are now brand new to only two years old and not reaching what I call established status at the rate I am used to. ---- (Bad thing is my mindset is still used to having many quality but cheap roses available , when we had far more garden shops up here, so to plant and lose a rose was not big deal for a long time as I simply put a different one/s in as need be.
Now there are no good cheap roses and variety is gone with the defunct garden shops while that and my half-arsed gardening for too long have come back to bite me.) I tip my hat to you.
Name: Dr. Demento Jr.
Minnesota (Zone 3b)
RpR
Jul 2, 2021 9:52 PM CST
I planted my 3 newest roses today.
Chicago Peace
John Armstrong
Gov. Rosellini

I watered the roses before planting so I could pull weeds first, it is so stinkin dry.
One hole I dug for a new rose, was grey dry 8 inches down and not much better 16 inches down.
Even after watering the roses for an hour, when I pulled the weeds, mostly little trees, underneath the Cocoa Bean Hulls it was dry.
Normally they form a moist mat, not this year.
Bed looks presentable now weeded and the new roses are looking much better.

Pulled three dead ones , although one was an amputated roots rose, from Home Depot last year, that still had a touch of green but was more like Monte Python -- I'm not quite dead yet.
Other two had small , heck, tiny root base but look to have been own root roses when planted.
There is one that I was going to pull but when I pushed the CC hulls back it was very green.
There is one more, known dead one, looks more like a stick, so when I pull that next time, if the big green stump has done nothing it will also become steak cooking fodder.

Watered the roses, and part of the veggie garden for another hour before I left after giving them a heavy dose of Grow Big Roses fertilizer, therefore; the fertilizer experiment has begun.
Have good 4th of July. I tip my hat to you.


Name: Dr. Demento Jr.
Minnesota (Zone 3b)
RpR
Jul 15, 2021 11:04 PM CST
RpR said:Have any of you used: Great Big Roses fertilizer?
I saw a special deal for getting Amazon C-card in which a gallon of the fertilizer and large bag of Dr Earth Total Advantage Rose N Floral Plant Mix only cost me 51 dollars total.


I thought the bag of Dr. Earth would be used next year but I used it to plant my three roses awhile bac,
It was a very dry rust red colour but we shall see how well it works.
Name: Dr. Demento Jr.
Minnesota (Zone 3b)
RpR
Jul 26, 2021 9:02 PM CST
Roses down South look healthy , so far.
I watered heavily last week and out side of some Crab Grass and a few other annoyances, weeds are now few and far between.

Annoyingly, when ever I get home the roses have bloomed or are about to bloom but not when I am there.
Up North they are blooming , at least to some degree at the same time but down South they do it solo.

I have what I imagine is an old rose that died and I did not dig it out but the old base root has survived as I have a all greens and no flower rose that also looks quite healthy I will dig out. I tip my hat to you.

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