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Duncannon, PA
desmith0927
Jun 8, 2021 5:23 PM CST
I received four daylily plants from a farm. They cut down the foliage to around 6", dig them out of the ground, and ship them. I was awaiting some other plants to get them planted and actually forgot about them. I assumed they would be totally worthless but when I looked at them, while the outer foliage is totally dried out and yellowish, there's inner leaves that are green and the bulbs are still very healthy looking - if not a tad bit dry. I'd like to still try to plant them. Should I soak them and what's the longest they can be soaked without harming the plant?
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sooby
Jun 8, 2021 5:38 PM CST
From the description of inner and outer leaves it sounds like they are daylilies although they don't have bulbs (you probably mean the tuberous roots?). You can soak them, there are different schools of thought on whether to at all, or for how long. If you can plant them tomorrow I would not soak them for more than overnight, personally. Otherwise I would pot them up until they can be planted, then set them in the shade somewhere to recover.
Name: Wendy
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robinjoy
Jun 8, 2021 5:46 PM CST
Welcome! desmith0927!

if you decide to soak your plants - you only want to soak the roots - avoid soaking the crown (the place at the base where the leaves are attached; the tuberous and fibrous roots come from the underside of the crown) - new green leaves will emerge from the middle of the fans as the plant settles in

if you are not familiar with how to plant them, feel free to ask us here Smiling
Duncannon, PA
desmith0927
Jun 8, 2021 7:09 PM CST
I was actually going to say tubers, because I was sure that's what they were called, but when I was using google to try and find an answer (without getting anything concrete) they were called bulbs constantly. Oh well.

Anyhow, maybe I should have been a bit more clear; when I say that I forgot about them, I mean for awhile! Everything I was reading said that as long as the roots aren't molded or anything they should be fine to plant. They were in that box with the tubers wrapped in newspaper for probably ten days or more.

When I initially saw the dead foliage I thought they were done. But the inner leaves are definitely green, though it is a pale green they aren't dried out like the ones surrounding them. They aren't dry at all. The tubers are still pretty firm, not crispy or flaky or breaking off, no sign of mold or fungus, and all things considered look great.

When I read there is definitely still hope I put them in shallow water only covering the roots. However, it was late in the day and I can't plant them without getting eaten alive. Just wondering if they'll be ok until morning?

Also, thank you so much for the help! I'm very practiced in fruit and vegetable gardening but this is my very first year deciding to do a flower bed and it's a big one. Actually, it's two. I have one raised 8' by 4' bed for my roses and herbs (experienced with herbs) and then lining the side of my house up to my walkway and wrapping around the front an area I buildt about 16" high and 3 feet away from the house. It's probably 21' total and that's where all of my flowers are going. I still have more day lillies on the way. Very excited but also a little overwhelmed; any help is beyond appreciated.
Name: Zoia Bologovsky
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Zoia
Jun 8, 2021 7:17 PM CST
They'll be fine overnight, I've had to leave daylilies for days in water and they were fine. They're very tough! However, you might lose some, there's no way to know until you plant them and wait a while. Once they are in the ground, I would water them every day for a while to help them settle in.
Name: Sue
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sooby
Jun 8, 2021 7:48 PM CST
They'll be fine with water covering the roots overnight.

Perhaps you were seeing "bulbs" mentioned because you were looking up "lilies"? True lilies do have bulbs, daylilies are not lilies despite the name.
Name: Wendy
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robinjoy
Jun 8, 2021 8:48 PM CST
You are going to love growing daylilies! (You do know the flowers are edible?) The first year you may only get a few blooms, but they get lovelier each year as the clumps increase in size.

You are in the area covered by the Delaware Valley Daylily Society, as well as Region 3 of the American Dayllily Society, And you are right around the corner from where our annual Lilyhemmer Conference is held each October in Camp Hill. First year attendees get a discounted admission and a gift dayliliy valued at $35 (or more).
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kennysh
Jun 9, 2021 5:48 AM CST
Welcome. Hurray! Smiling
Duncannon, PA
desmith0927
Jun 9, 2021 6:45 AM CST
I was looking up day lillies.

Yes I do know they are edible! Pretty much every flower I am growing is. I have two bearded dragons; my 1 year old is now at the age where his diet needs to switch to more greens/plants than protein. He is very picky so I've been trying to find other things he can eat occasionally and in small amounts to kind of add some color to his salads to maybe entice him to eat them. He doesn't even like the things "all" Beardies love like blueberries. So, that is what got me into adding flowers to my garden this year. He is able to eat day lillies so I got them. Pretty much any flower he is able to eat, is either here already or will be any day. I'm desperate to figure out what it'll take to get him eating greens the way he's supposed to. I have figured out so far that if it's in a bowl, he will not go for it. It has to be growing out of soil, in the ground. I'm hoping being able to let him free range through the garden will work.

Also, the lillies I have ordered are two years old I believe. They weren't only tubers. They were bought from a big lily farm that digs them up, trims the foliage down, and sends them to you. They honestly arrived in beautiful shape and the tubers are still in amazing condition. I'm very impressed with them. Homestead Farms Nursery, in case anyone wants to know. Anyhow, point being, I'm pretty sure I'll get quite a few blooms this year as they aren't new tubers. They are actually plants that were sent to me.
Name: Sue
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sooby
Jun 9, 2021 6:59 AM CST
desmith0927 said:I was looking up day lillies.

Also, the lillies I have ordered are two years old I believe. They weren't only tubers. They were bought from a big lily farm that digs them up, trims the foliage down, and sends them to you.


It's best to search for daylilies, all one word, I think the results would be more reliable. You could try the American Daylily (Hemerocallis) Society's website for more information:

https://daylilies.org/

But of course there's here too Smiling

As I mentioned above, though, daylilies are not a kind of lily, they are not even in the same plant family.
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Zoia
Jun 9, 2021 10:56 AM CST
I wouldn't count on them popping out flowers their first year. They might, and that would be a bonus but whenever you dig and ship plants, they have to get reestablished in the new garden. This means growing new roots ( not the storage tubers that you see but the fine ones that spread through the dirt, and new leaves ( you'll lose most of the ones they came with). All daylilies that have been dug and shipped are at least a few years old or they wouldn't be big enough. I have many plants that are going on their third year that I have still seen nothing out of.

If the flowers are going to be lizard food, you could also look into the common ditch lily ( fulva ) that grows like a weed. Usually there's no problem with getting that established! However, I don't know how your collared guy is going to reach anything. Most of the flowers are held at least a foot up and the majority are three feet up or more. I'm pretty sure he shouldn't eat the leaves as I think they are mildly poisonous.
Name: Sue
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sooby
Jun 9, 2021 12:54 PM CST
Zoia said: I'm pretty sure he shouldn't eat the leaves as I think they are mildly poisonous.


There are articles that say all parts of daylilies are toxic specifically to cats, including the flowers, but many gardeners question whether that is a case of mistaken identity. It comes back to the lilies versus daylilies thing which is why I keep harping on about daylilies not being lilies and what the differences are Big Grin Lilies (genus Lilium) are proven toxic to cats but it's not clear whether daylilies got lumped in with them because people often think a true lily is a "day lily", or that a daylily (genus Hemerocallis) is a kind of lily or whether they really can be toxic to cats, or at least some of them.

Regarding sending actual plants, daylilies are not sold as tubers. Technically they do not have tubers, they have tuberous roots. It's not quite the same thing. A tuber would have an "eye" from which a new shoot could grow, but a new shoot can not grow from tuberous roots alone. Therefore you cannot grow a new daylily from its tuberous roots unless it has at least a piece of crown attached. It may appear that some daylilies, such as Hemerocallis fulva 'Europa' (ditch(day)lily), grow from leftover bits of roots but in reality they are growing from rhizomes - a kind of underground stem.
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touchofsky
Jun 9, 2021 1:16 PM CST
If daylily leaves were toxic to cats, my cat would be toast! She is terrible when it comes to seedlings. If I gave her the chance she would graze them to nubs!
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SonoveShakespeare
Jun 9, 2021 1:55 PM CST
They are tough. I remember dividing daylilies in the fall, and l forgot that I laid a few fans aside. Found them the following spring outside a flower bed with their roots exposed and growing some green.
Not only people give others signs, but plants do too.
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SonoveShakespeare
Jun 9, 2021 2:02 PM CST
touchofsky said:If daylily leaves were toxic to cats, my cat would be toast! She is terrible when it comes to seedlings. If I gave her the chance she would graze them to nubs!


Valerie, Daylilies are toxic to cats. Here are some of the side effects. However they aren't major and usually don't last very long. You probably wouldn't know if your cat had some of these side effects.

Symptoms of Daylily Poisoning in Cats
Lethargy.
Weakness.
Polyuria ( increased urine output)
Polydipsia (increased drinking)
Irregular heartbeat.
Racing heart beat.
Vomiting.
Diarrhea.
Not only people give others signs, but plants do too.
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Name: Sue
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sooby
Jun 9, 2021 2:06 PM CST
SonoveShakespeare said:

Valerie, Daylilies are toxic to cats. Here are some of the side effects. However they aren't major and usually don't last very long. You probably wouldn't know if your cat had some of these side effects.

Symptoms of Daylily Poisoning in Cats
Lethargy.
Weakness.
Polyuria ( increased urine output)
Polydipsia (increased drinking)
Irregular heartbeat.
Racing heart beat.
Vomiting.
Diarrhea.


Most of the articles on daylily toxicity to cats imply that it is life-threatening (kidney failure). However, there has not been any published research to confirm the toxicity as there has been with Lilium. So I suspect that the many people whose cats eat various parts of daylilies without any problem will continue to be skeptical.

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Seedfork
Jun 9, 2021 3:03 PM CST
desmith0927,
Welcome to the daylily forum. It sounds like to me you have daylilies with the outer leaves dried up and I will suggest to pull all off the outer leaves that look that way before you plant the daylilies. It is a simple process, but to make it even more understandable here is a video that shows the process.
I saw this video years ago and it impressed me so much, it was news to me to know that the original roots would quickly dye off and be replaced with new roots. It is a YouTube video so it will have adds, but you can skip them after a few seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
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Duncannon, PA
desmith0927
Jun 9, 2021 3:35 PM CST
Zoia said: If the flowers are going to be lizard food, you could also look into the common ditch lily ( fulva ) that grows like a weed. Usually there's no problem with getting that established! However, I don't know how your collared guy is going to reach anything. Most of the flowers are held at least a foot up and the majority are three feet up or more. I'm pretty sure he shouldn't eat the leaves as I think they are mildly poisonous.


The flowers themselves are fine for him to eat. I have more than one edible plant in my flower beds however, the flowers are going to be a rare treat on top of his salads to give them more color. Beardies have a weird affinity for certain bright colors while hating others (like green 🤦🏻‍♀️) They aren't something he is going to be able to just eat all day every day. I have a huge garden and more than one type of plant - when I spoke of letting him free range, it was more where the dandelion, collards, and clovers are and not so much the flowers. Flowers will be occasional treats to maybe get him more interested in his salad. Maybe I should have specified even further. I definitely wouldn't have spent hundreds of dollars on daylillies to just let them be totally destroyed by being eaten haha! I don't think anyone would do that!

Duncannon, PA
desmith0927
Jun 9, 2021 3:45 PM CST
Seedfork said:desmith0927,
Welcome to the daylily forum. It sounds like to me you have daylilies with the outer leaves dried up and I will suggest to pull all off the outer leaves that look that way before you plant the daylilies. It is a simple process, but to make it even more understandable here is a video that shows the process.
I saw this video years ago and it impressed me so much, it was news to me to know that the original roots would quickly dye off and be replaced with new roots. It is a YouTube video so it will have adds, but you can skip them after a few seconds.



Thank you so very much! This actually made me feel pretty good with my choice of farmer! They sent them to me the same way. I just got the rest today. Very informative video. I'll be sure to trim them down some more. I appreciate you providing that more than you could possibly know! This was a really big help. You're awesome :)

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touchofsky
Jun 9, 2021 4:25 PM CST
SonoveShakespeare said:

Valerie, Daylilies are toxic to cats. Here are some of the side effects. However they aren't major and usually don't last very long. You probably wouldn't know if your cat had some of these side effects.

Symptoms of Daylily Poisoning in Cats
Lethargy.
Weakness.
Polyuria ( increased urine output)
Polydipsia (increased drinking)
Irregular heartbeat.
Racing heart beat.
Vomiting.
Diarrhea.


I don't let her eat my seedlings, so it really isn't an issue now. However, when I first got my light stand, she discovered the seedlings and ate several. After that, I covered them. I now use a sheet, and fasten it with clamps, so she can't get at them now. I did not notice any effects from the times she did get at them, though. Originally, I tried covering them with mesh, but when she could see them, she wouldn't leave the light stand alone, and would manage to find any weakness in my covering.
When the covering is opaque, I don't think she realizes they are there!
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