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Name: Teresa Felty Barrow
South central KY (Zone 6b)
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bluegrassmom
Jun 12, 2021 10:50 PM CST
Hello, everyone
I have been dabbing a few years and thought it was fun. Now I am buying newer daylilies and hope to get some nicer seedlings. Please share your best info on what is working for you. How do you tag them. Where can I buy color wires? How long to you let them mature? How do you collect and store the seeds. What medium do you plant in. I can use all the help I can get! Have a great summer!
Teresa
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Name: Ann
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Hortaholic
Jun 12, 2021 11:37 PM CST
Hi Teresa,
That's exciting! You'll have a lot of fun seeing your own creations flowering.

I'm kind of new here, so I'm not sure, but I'm thinking there are probably already threads on these kinds of topics. Have you tried scanning through the thread subjects in the daylily forum? Of course there could be new approaches someone will share.

I can vaguely answer one - it generally takes at least 4 weeks after the cross for the seeds to mature, up to about 6 weeks .

Some will say wait until the tip of a pod cracks to collect it but that is not necessary and risks losing some seeds. As a pod matures the color gradually gets less green and a little drier looking. At some point, a gentle squeeze pressing the sides together will cause the sutures of the pod to easily separate. You'll be able to see the black shiny seeds inside. Yay! Immature pods will stay tightly closed.

Harvest the pod now and let it dry til it does crack for ease of shucking. I put mine in labeled paper envelopes to dry.

Just one possible approach.

Pat

Ann (formerly Pat; too many Pats) my middle name
Name: Teresa Felty Barrow
South central KY (Zone 6b)
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bluegrassmom
Jun 13, 2021 7:45 AM CST
Pat do you use the wire or paper tags? I need to find a source for the colored wires.

I also use the paper envelopes and write on the front.

I seem to make plenty seeds but my germination rate needs to improve!
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Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Jun 13, 2021 10:19 AM CST
I did not originate this idea but using paper clips and beads has worked well for me. Much easier to attach than the paper tags with strings, less obtrusive in the garden, and they do not fade out so you can't read them. I started off assigning a color to each pollen parent, now I am in the process of using the beads with letters on them...really not much difference. I do like the beads I got from WalMart better than the ones I got at Hobby Lobby, the beads are square and a little larger and the best thing is the hole in the bead is larger which allows the bead to slide onto the paper clip much easier.
So at the start of the season I start a list of the pollen parents I want to use and assign a bead color or bead letter to each pollen parent. I keep my plants marked to identify tets from dips, so when I pollinate a bloom I just attach a paper clip with the bead to the pollenated bloom. I don't write down dates, and I don't try to keep up with individual seeds as some people do. I really can't see any benefit to that. As I go along doing the pollinations I collect the beads where a pod did not set(not sure that is the best thing, but I run out of beads if I don't do that). It might be best to leave the beads in place, but after a while they tend to fall off anyway if a pod does not set. I want to be through with the pollinizing by mid June at latest. Then late in July I will start harvesting pods and continue into August. I use little plastic baggies, write the cross on the bag, the date the bag is placed in the fridge and try to take them out and plant them after a month at least in the fridge. After having some problems with mold, I have quit placing cotton, or paper in the bad with the seeds to keep them moist and just spray a light mist of water into each baggie as it goes in the fridge.
I plant my seeds by cross in red plastic cups, I let them sprout and grow for a month or so then plant the tiny seedlings in the ground. I do not separate my seedlings that are in the cup when I plant them. When I empty the cups the soil stays in a cone shape with the seedlings and what ever was in the cup gets planted together. I try to limit the seeds to no more than five and often I won't have that many in a cup. Certainly there are drawbacks to this, but it allows me to plant way more seedlings in a small area, I figure the strongest will survive. The draw back is that you might end up with several different looking plants in each small clump, but that has really not been much of a problem at all.
If you have room it would be better to plant each little seedling separate.
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plasko20
Jun 13, 2021 10:32 AM CST
bluegrassmom said:Pat do you use the wire or paper tags? I need to find a source for the colored wires.

I also use the paper envelopes and write on the front.

I seem to make plenty seeds but my germination rate needs to improve!


The LA sells them as a store item. But they give a lot (10 colors of 50 each) for a lot ($32).
Item #1624331196
https://www.daylily.com/cgi-bi...

That said, you can buy twist-ties on Amazon easily enough. Example below is 1200 pieces, 6-colors, for $8. There are many other combos on that website, some longer, different colors etc.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07NL3D1TX/
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Name: Ann
Columbus, Ohio (Zone 6a)
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Hortaholic
Jun 13, 2021 10:05 PM CST
Great. Garden.org just reloaded and erased the message I was almost finished with .🙄 Second time tonight .

Short answer - I use paper clips. I buy colored ones anywhere office supplies are sold.

Maybe Larry @seedfork has an image of how to attach one.

I use large size clips for thick scape branches.

Pat
Ann (formerly Pat; too many Pats) my middle name
Name: Ann
Columbus, Ohio (Zone 6a)
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Hortaholic
Jun 13, 2021 10:07 PM CST
Paper tags are unreliable. They get wet, shred, tear, abrade. Not recommended unless you hybridize in a desert.

Pat
Ann (formerly Pat; too many Pats) my middle name
Name: Ann
Columbus, Ohio (Zone 6a)
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Hortaholic
Jun 13, 2021 10:09 PM CST
Wires and twist ties are slower to attach but many pro hybridizers use them bc of the huge number of different combos they can create .

Haven't heard of using beads with paper clips as Larry does. Seems like an excellent idea to add more combinations! 👍🏻

Pat
Ann (formerly Pat; too many Pats) my middle name
Name: Teresa Felty Barrow
South central KY (Zone 6b)
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bluegrassmom
Jun 14, 2021 1:53 AM CST
I am interested in the beads too. Larry can you post a picture so I can have a idea of what to look for if I go that route? Thanks

I have used the color paper clips too. You are so limited is the only issue. The beads would help with adding more cultivars.
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Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Jun 14, 2021 6:14 AM CST
I tried colored paper clips but they did not stand out enough by themselves in the garden and they were hard to find in enough colors (I seem to use way to many pollen parents but I enjoy it that way).
I went to colored beds and they work fine. I have bought them at Walmart and Hobby Lobby. Hobby Lobby has the best selection of beads of the two, some with sparkles... just all sorts.
Photo of my colored beads:
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Don't remember why I decided to try the lettered beads (maybe because some of the beads do tend to fade out with the sun over the years and when buying different brands the colors are not always exactly the same), but I bought some of the lettered beads at Hobby Lobby (the small round ones) and I later bought some at Walmart (the larger square ones). I discovered that I preferred the larger square ones because they have a much larger hole and it makes putting them on the paper clips much easier.
Photo of my Lettered beads:
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Beads attached to paper clips:
Here is a photo of the beads attached to a paper clip. You can open up that leg as wide as needed to slip it around the stem of the bloom after it has been pollinated.
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Here is what they look like in the garden attached to a plant.
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Some of the letters don't have as many beads as some of the others, so I ended up buying more beads. Also I discovered after I bought them that the "N" and the "Z" look so much alike I just called them all "N". Also I found that the "W" and the "M" look so much alike that in order to avoid confusion I call them all "M".'
It takes a little practice putting them on but I found it so much easier than trying to put the strings on. Some blooms have a very short thick stem, and I discovered that just pushing the paper clip loop back out of the way a little allowed even those to be tagged easily.
[Last edited by Seedfork - Jun 14, 2021 12:52 PM (+)]
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