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Jul 10, 2021 5:59 PM CST
Name: Elena
NYC (Zone 7a)
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Every year I get at least one flower on Hanalei Bay that does this weirdness.

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This flower is deformed but normal flowers have done it too. Part of the petal is wrapped around the stamen. Is there a name for this? Has anyone else seen this? I've only see it on this cultivar.
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Jul 10, 2021 6:11 PM CST
Name: Vickie
southern Indiana (Zone 6b)
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Very odd indeed. But I'm not sure there is a name for this anomaly.
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Jul 10, 2021 7:39 PM CST
Name: Tim
West Chicago, IL (Zone 5a)
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I can't remember the name, but I think there is a term for when petals, or parts of petals attach to and wrap around stamen. epipetalous? epiphyllous? <- guesses with the help of Google. Google is never wrong. Rolling my eyes.
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Jul 11, 2021 7:10 AM CST
Name: Vickie
southern Indiana (Zone 6b)
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Tim, I think you are correct. Great sleuthing!
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Jul 11, 2021 10:33 AM CST
Name: Pat
Columbus, Ohio (Zone 6a)
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bxncbx said:Every year I get at least one flower on Hanalei Bay that does this weirdness.

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This flower is deformed but normal flowers have done it too. Part of the petal is wrapped around the stamen. Is there a name for this? Has anyone else seen this? I've only see it on this cultivar.


Elena, I've seen this in some other cultivars which "normally" produce cristate appendages from the base of the petal. The stamens are attached at the base of the petal where it joins the throat. If the appendage rolls inward it can encase the base of the stamen.

I'd consider this one of the variations of cristate. I see that 'Hanalei Bay' is normally a regular single form. Apparently it has some cristate genes which are only occasionally expressed.

This flower superficially appears to be a dimer - 2 petals, 2 sepals - but if so it would have only 4 stamens. This flower has 6 I think? So, part of that irregular-looking petal on the left is actually an incompletely formed sepal and petal with accompanying stamens, as best I can make out from the picture. Or perhaps the sepal is hidden. The ovary probably had 3 chambers. The ovary of a dimer only has two.

Ann
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Jul 11, 2021 12:52 PM CST
Name: Maurice
Grey County, Ontario (Zone 4b)
I would agree with @Hortaholic about the cristate involvement/background. Below is part of the ancestry of 'Hanalei Bay' showing that the obvious source is the tet. conversion of 'Lavender Blue Baby' in the ancestry of both parents.

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Jul 11, 2021 4:46 PM CST
Name: Elena
NYC (Zone 7a)
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Thanks guys! I had no idea that having cristate genes could cause this. I also didn't know that tet conversions are a source of cristate genes.

Ann I'm not sure what was going on with that flower. I've had a lot of deformed blooms this year even on cultivars that usually bloom perfectly. Fruit Loops has been especially bad. It's almost as if the bud was going to abort but somehow managed to survive and bloom.
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Jul 11, 2021 5:41 PM CST
Name: Maurice
Grey County, Ontario (Zone 4b)
@bxncbx It is not so much that tet conversions are a source as much as it is specifically 'Lavender Blue Baby' that is the source.
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Jul 11, 2021 7:34 PM CST
Name: Pat
Columbus, Ohio (Zone 6a)
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admmad said:@bxncbx It is not so much that tet conversions are a source as much as it is specifically 'Lavender Blue Baby' that is the source.


@admmad, I agree, Maurice, and that was great detective work tracing the lineage! 👍🏻

Ann

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Jul 12, 2021 6:10 AM CST
Name: Nan
southeast Georgia (Zone 8b)
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Elena, if this is a consistent issue with this plant, maybe you should post the picture in the database.
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